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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Once the 100% conventional fuel scource used for starting the process is turned off though the engine then seems to run on a fuel/water mix.

    It then would come down to measuring the length of time the engine runs for on the fuel/water mix compared to the same amount of 100% fuel.

    If it ran for a significantly longer time than the percentage of fuel in the fuel/water mix would ordinarily suggest then surely the water is acting as some form of power scource.
    Not necessarily, because the exhaust is pumped through that water, running rich to start with could result in a secondary store of fuel, which has a lower vapor point so comes back thorugh to the engine before water clogs it up.

    The obvious tests worth doing are overall fuel economy runs. How far will a car fitted with one of those get on 1L of fuel compared to a modern car.

    Where are those tests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Not necessarily, because the exhaust is pumped through that water, running rich to start with could result in a secondary store of fuel, which has a lower vapor point so comes back thorugh to the engine before water clogs it up.
    Have you found any information that suggests that water eventually clogs this system up or are you just guessing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Have you found any information that suggests that water eventually clogs this system up or are you just guessing?
    Water isn't flammable.


    Jeez, surprised I have to tell this to one of the fuel can't melt steel beams crowd...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Water isn't flammable.


    Jeez, surprised I have to tell this to one of the fuel can't melt steel beams crowd...
    Hydrogen is though.

    And oxygen certainly aids flammability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Hydrogen is though.
    Sure is,do you believe that is what is fed back into the intake manifold?
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    I am no engineer and am not dismissing the idea.
    I heard a story similar to this 25 years ago, from a mate who had just graduated with his mechanical engineering degree. He heard it from one of his lecturers at Uni and the story was 15+ years old then. I am wondering how something as revolutionary as this would be suppressed for 40+ years without some other fella being able to replicate the invention? Sometimes people are known as the inventor or discoverer, only because they happened to be the first, not because they were the only one working on the idea.
    I can understand one or two people being "leaned on" but how is it possible that a company or series of companies could systematically wipe out the experimental work of every single guy with a bit of engineering nous who gets close to this around the entire globe? In some ways that sounds more fantastical to me than a motor running on 80% water.

    Conspiracy theories aside, who knows, this might actually work. Look at the way battery technology has progressed in the last few years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi View Post
    . Look at the way battery technology has progressed in the last few years!
    Don't start that up here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Sure is,do you believe that is what is fed back into the intake manifold?
    Do you know (with absolute certainty) exactly what is being fed back into the intake manifold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback View Post
    Don't start that up here!
    oops, yeah forgot......

    uhm....damn those batteries! I love carbon emissions...not a real bike unless its loud and smoking....hippie batteries......lets burn some oil!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi View Post
    .....lets burn some oil!!!!!!

    Better Pete?
    Considerably so mate.

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    Heat doesn't separate hydrogen from oxygen. Well, not the type of heat gained from a Brigg&Stratton exhaust anyway.

    There is mention of plasma, but I fail to see how it's generated or where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Do you know (with absolute certainty) exactly what is being fed back into the intake manifold?
    Not with absolute certainty no. But I can sure deduce some things. The reason I asked you that question is my concern over how the weak minded are bing mislead, do you think that a bit of heat and some dino-juice catalysts are enough to convert water to hydrogen and oxygen? is that what his theory is telling you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    The reason I asked you that question is my concern over how the weak minded are bing mislead, do you think that a bit of heat and some dino-juice catalysts are enough to convert water to hydrogen and oxygen? is that what his theory is telling you?
    I'm not a chemistry graduate.

    I'm still trying to figure out whether the iron bar inside the structure has something to do with a process that hasn't been fully appreciated yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Tesla was fucken crazy, intent on unknowingly releasing huge radiation into the atmosphere via microwaves, and dead fucken wrong in his belief that AC power is superior to DC.
    Yes and No, his AC vs Edisons DC. Tesla came upon top for over 60 years.

    Have you ever seen a Tesla valve. Or tesla Turbine
    To be able to do something so simply is bloody clever Drew.

    He certainly had an disorganised mind but most of his inventions stand the test of time.
    He also invented the Wireless radio, google it. It took years to prove.
    It also broke him in doing so. Edison had a huge team of helpers and much better publicity.

    Re the original post someone unscrupulous could do that by filling the crankcase with an oil petrol mixture if it had a poor ring seal.
    I also note crude, has some very light fractions contained in it.

    I looked through the patent for it http://www.google.com/patents/US5794601
    Despite what the inventor says in the video It actually looks like a form of a gasification to me.

    http://westernrifleshooters.files.wo..._gasifier1.jpg



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    I also not crude has some very light fractions contained in it.
    If you want people to take you seriously you should probably consider posting in English.

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