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    Radar guns: Popo under the gun AGAIN?

    Its this line the Force have got to be getting really concerned about.
    “What faith can the public have that police aren’t taking shortcuts in other areas?”


    Red-faced police probe speed cam botch-up
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    NZ Herald article as seen below;
    Three traffic officers have been disciplined and several others stand accused of botched checks of hand-held speed cameras, potentially leaving police exposed to legal action over speeding tickets.
    Police chiefs yesterday promised to waive or refund any speeding fines found to be invalid as they investigate the scale of the problem.
    But they insist tickets issued from the devices in question were valid.
    However, a legal expert said any errors would provide “fertile ground for questioning an officer in court”.
    The officers under investigation are stationed at Auckland’s Harbour Bridge motorway traffic unit under the Waitemata police district.
    The investigation concerns three months from April to June 2014 – a year in which Waitemata police issued more than 194,000 speed tickets, the highest number in the country at more than 16,000 a month.
    Last year, almost 82,000 speeding tickets were issued nationally each month by hand-held and fixed cameras. About $71 million was paid in fines, mostly for speeding.
    Police refused to say exactly how many officers are involved or how many tickets they issued during the three-month period in question.
    The Herald on Sunday can reveal the investigation centres on allegations the officers failed to record how and when the devices were calibrated.
    Hand-held speed cameras need to be calibrated and tested before use to ensure they accurately record speed and distance.
    Police confirmed they were alerted to “reporting irregularities of three staff” in August 2014.
    Superintendent Bill Searle, of the Waitemata District, said that it was a “procedural failure” by a small number of staff and there was no evidence to suggest the cameras were inaccurate.
    “This has been confirmed by further testing carried out by the national police calibrations laboratory in Wellington,” he said.
    Traffic law expert Steve Cullen, of Albion Chambers, said the fact police had sent the devices to Wellington to get certification suggested there was cause for doubt.
    As long as a certificate of accuracy was within 12 months of the date of offence, police could rely on it in court, he said. “It’s a concern because each device is supposed to be certified as properly calibrated and operable. The only inference is they didn’t have valid certification.
    “It would only be if they failed to produce that certificate. Then the accuracy of their log books would clearly come into play because there would be a gap in the evidence.”
    Kelvin Davis, Labour spokesperson for police, said the incidents were “pretty sloppy”.
    “Why did it take so long to find out that police weren’t following due process?
    “They’ve left themselves wide open for challenge, which could well cost the taxpayer a lot of money,” he said.
    “What faith can the public have that police aren’t taking shortcuts in other areas?”
    Hand-held speed cameras have long been slammed as revenue gathering tools, though police say they are foremost a deterrent.
    Searle said the procedural failings were not a wider training issue but specific to individual officers.
    “We can’t go into specifics regarding staff. While these inquiries are still ongoing but are satisfied at this stage that it is a small number and not indicative of a wider issue.”
    Road-policing staff nationwide had been reminded of their obligations regarding correct reporting and regular audits were being carried out, he said.
    Of the three officers who have been disciplined, one is the subject of an ongoing employment matter, said Searle.



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    This is why the Police should have to follow the written legislation like they tell the rest of us to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    This is why the Police should have to follow the written legislation like they tell the rest of us to do
    It's always going to be 'do as we say, not as we do.' Even the odd time I've watched those Police shows you see the attitude right in front of the camera.
    People make mistakes and are more often than not rolled for it by the Police with little or no leniency, but if someone in a position of authority or on the 'force' makes a mistake it's OK for a plethora of verbal diarrhea delivered reasons, including the 'they're only human and it was a genuine mistake' line that ordinary citizens are told is just not a good enough 'excuse'.

    Fire the 3 of them so the public have the illusion of a level playing field for a little while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazz View Post
    It's always going to be 'do as we say, not as we do.' Even the odd time I've watched those Police shows you see the attitude right in front of the camera.
    People make mistakes and are more often than not rolled for it by the Police with little or no leniency, but if someone in a position of authority or on the 'force' makes a mistake it's OK for a plethora of verbal diarrhea delivered reasons, including the 'they're only human and it was a genuine mistake' line that ordinary citizens are told is just not a good enough 'excuse'.

    Fire the 3 of them so the public have the illusion of a level playing field for a little while.
    I like the double standards the police have with speed enforcement. low road toll = our crackdown worked. high road toll = must be external factors.

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    There are no other areas. Speed is all they care about unless the media, and subsequently the minister, are pushing them on a high profile case, then they let the crimestoppers tell them what happened. Or not..
    Keep on chooglin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smifffy View Post
    There are no other areas. Speed is all they care about unless the media, and subsequently the minister, are pushing them on a high profile case, then they let the crimestoppers tell them what happened. Or not..
    I think it is disproportionate attention to traffic policing in general rather than all or nothing.

    You still see them walking the beat on weekends and some weeknights and they're always trying to top up their weed supply. Passed 4 dog units at 2am ish on waikawa Rd just last week...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazz View Post
    they're always trying to top up their weed supply. Passed 4 dog units at 2am ish on waikawa Rd just last week...
    Is your patch out there mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    Is your patch out there mate
    Not anymore!

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    Meh - they will probably refund the lot.

    Sorted.

    I've never, never made a error at work ...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    Meh - they will probably refund the lot.

    Sorted.

    I've never, never made a error at work ...........
    Courier mistakenly pinged at 56, loses job.

    Officer incorrectly pings courier at 56 due to negligence losing them their job, glass of milk and a there there we all make mistakes speech.

    Seems fair.

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    This isnt anything new, fucken bacon sticks together like a fat womens arse cheeks, there will be fuck all consequence.

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    Yet more fuck ups by the nz police brain trust.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/6867...ines-cancelled

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    Yet more fuck ups by the nz police brain trust.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/6867...ines-cancelled
    Assistant commissioner for road policing Dave Cliff said the majority of the cancelled tickets were for speeds ranging between 4kmh and 20kmh over the limit, attracting fines between $30 and $120.

    4k over, down a steep incline, on a 3 lane Highway, for 30 bucks FFS whats this country coming to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    FFS whats this country coming to?
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