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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoSeven
    The problem with that, is that those machines are fully air conditioned and ventilated. Watching the reversing maneuver indicated that the driver was in a state of panic.

    Judging by the way the commander left the vehicle, it was he who panic'd first - the driver would have probably had to later because the CO left his hatch open.
    They may be so, but that still won't quench the heat of a few molotovs on top of you. Especially with vents that just allow MORE heat in unless they were ordered to close them for fear of fire getting in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha
    Thats as good a guess as any other on here, the only people who know what the real situation and reasoning for their actions are the crew and I doubt they'll be posting on here to tell us
    Exactly what I was trying to say but I get ridiculed for it. Funny that????
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    It seems that the obvious has been missed. The options the crew did not choose were to drive through or fire on the crowd. By doing so, they would have been home free.
    That indicates a lot of respect for life.
    The rest is irrelevant.
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    The commander of the vehicle has admitted to panicing on a BBC news interview. Although the interview is unclear on how he caught fire in the first place - seems he may have been standing in the hatch when he got caught by the first firebomb. Also, it indicates they returned to the vehicle later.

    "My back was on fire, down the back of my arms and part of my face," Sergeant George Long, of the Staffordshire Regiment, told the BBC.

    "It was basic panic, I needed to get out of (the armoured vehicle's) turret and get the flames put out.

    "I checked my gunner was being dealt with, then got back into the turret, stayed there to carry on with the public disorder."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoSeven
    The commander of the vehicle has admitted to panicing on a BBC news interview. Although the interview is unclear on how he caught fire in the first place - seems he may have been standing in the hatch when he got caught by the first firebomb. Also, it indicates they returned to the vehicle later.

    Panic is just human nature. Good on them for admitting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SP
    ......................... rant not over until they're all out and Iraq can recover ...........
    Too right.
    But Service personnel go where they are sent, do what they are told ... it's what they signed up to do.

    And i really wonder how many of those in Iraq have serious problems with the politics that sent them there/keep them there .........

    and i wonder if i could fight a war [sorry 'peacekeeping action'] that i didn't believe in for masters whose motives i despised...

    and i feel so sorry for the front-liners caught up in this mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider
    Pom's have got a Labour Govt too.
    Not to be confused with anything resempling the Labour party here though OR. The Labour party in the UK (renamed New Labour just before gaining power all those years ago) are far more right wing than our Labour party.
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    You go were you are sent and u will never know the situation unless you are there brave or not you are there to do your job that is what you are trained for and preservation of your team and to achecve your abjective
    Quote Originally Posted by mstriumph
    Too right.
    But Service personnel go where they are sent, do what they are told ... it's what they signed up to do.

    And i really wonder how many of those in Iraq have serious problems with the politics that sent them there/keep them there .........

    and i wonder if i could fight a war [sorry 'peacekeeping action'] that i didn't believe in for masters whose motives i despised...

    and i feel so sorry for the front-liners caught up in this mess.
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    Those quoting rules and regs from the army have been watching too much TV.

    Sure, you go where you are sent and do what you are told......... Within reason! In the occasions that I was away on exercise (And one time that I wasn't) we all had the option of bailing out if things got too hot. If you did, there was no court martial, no fines imposed. You just had to live with the fact that your fellow peers judge you on your desision and the day the shit hits the fan, you need to know if they are going to count on you, or frag you for someone else.
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    dunno about the NZ Army ---- but it wasn't encouraged in the RAF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mstriumph
    Too right.
    But Service personnel go where they are sent, do what they are told ... it's what they signed up to do.

    And i really wonder how many of those in Iraq have serious problems with the politics that sent them there/keep them there .........

    and i wonder if i could fight a war [sorry 'peacekeeping action'] that i didn't believe in for masters whose motives i despised...

    and i feel so sorry for the front-liners caught up in this mess.
    Read "The Soldiers Story" by Terry Burstall for a true perspective of what it's like to realise you've been lied to and seen your mates die for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Girardin
    Read "The Soldiers Story" by Terry Burstall for a true perspective of what it's like to realise you've been lied to and seen your mates die for nothing.
    That book was proven to have outside influences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper
    That book was proven to have outside influences.

    All books have outside influences. Kennedy's "Profile in Courage" didn't have any Soviet heroes in it.
    McNamara never said that the Vietnam war was wrong either.
    I enjoy books from different perspectives, any propaganda soon becomes obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper
    Panic is just human nature. Good on them for admitting it.
    Not in the british army its not - its a matter of pride. Personally, if someone bailed, I suspect the rest of their squad might give them a good kicking.

    Still, the pommie army hasnt released a press statement on it yet (only on the related incident with the specops).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoSeven
    Not in the british army its not - its a matter of pride. Personally, if someone bailed, I suspect the rest of their squad might give them a good kicking.

    Still, the pommie army hasnt released a press statement on it yet (only on the related incident with the specops).
    You know that most the pommy army are poofta's now? (No offence Biff). They would proberbly get a telling off and a kiss.
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    no-one's taking the bait, Sniper

    but being alternative, sexually speaking, need be no bar to a taste for mayhem ----- as i understand it the ancient greeks used to send pairs of homosexual lovers into battle side by side [figuring that each would fight more bravely etc etc ]

    personally i'm dubious if the pair in the flat below me when i first arrived in Wellington were anything to go by ---- they were far too busy trying to kill each other [the whole 6 months i was there!] to have anything left over for anyone else .....
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