I need some advice on pain management

[Edbear]

Ketamine is spectacular! When I broke my clavicle and scapula and they'd given me all the morphine they felt they safely could they stopped the ambulance and, I believe, a vet administered the ketamine... no fucking problemo from there on in. In fact when they were trying to get the perfect xray of the shoulder the tech managed to crack me across the back of the skull with the fucking camera and even that didn't bother me at all... reeeeally strong. Very strange too... and not something I'd want to recreationally abuse

They OD'd me on Morphine and nearly killed me! My lungs shut down and as I hovered trying not to die, they had me on Ketamine. My family and friends around me didn't know whether to laugh or cry at what I was coming out with!

Bulk buying privileges ..

Yup I almost think I should keep my meds in a locked cabinet.

[Swoop]

I can offer either a .38, 9mm or .45 injection.

Please leave your bike keys in the ignition.

[Paul in NZ]

OK - this may or may not help...

I exercise regularly and try to keep in shape (round is a shape)... However time isn't kind and you do pick up a few knocks. I was having all kinds of issues with hips / knees so I was trucked off to a specialist who sent my to a specialist physio who then worked with an exercise therapist. I ended up with the stupidest exercise plan ever devised BUT I stuck with it and gradually the pain lessened and the functionality improved. Where it was a painful experience walking from the train (20min) its now pretty pain free.

The problem was that most gym exercises (particularly machines) are great at isolating muscles and making them work hard and increase size. Things like walking actually use lots of other little muscles as well as the big ones. You have to engage them all and the weird exercises we all about waking them up...

Find a good physio or exercise therapist and see what they can do...

[Banditbandit]

OK - this may or may not help...

I exercise regularly and try to keep in shape (round is a shape)... However time isn't kind and you do pick up a few knocks. I was having all kinds of issues with hips / knees so I was trucked off to a specialist who sent my to a specialist physio who then worked with an exercise therapist. I ended up with the stupidest exercise plan ever devised BUT I stuck with it and gradually the pain lessened and the functionality improved. Where it was a painful experience walking from the train (20min) its now pretty pain free.

The problem was that most gym exercises (particularly machines) are great at isolating muscles and making them work hard and increase size. Things like walking actually use lots of other little muscles as well as the big ones. You have to engage them all and the weird exercises we all about waking them up...

Find a good physio or exercise therapist and see what they can do...

I have shot knees (painful to walk) stuffed back (just painful) and Yes - I use the gym regularly - it helps.


The rest? Just old age catching up on us.

[James Deuce]

Hey Willy, don't fall for anything related to the supplements or alt-med industry. They simply profit on the suffering of people and don't achieve anything except the occassional toxic overdose of a trace element. 10% of people experience significant easing of their symptoms by taking supplements but that fits the placebo effect precisely.

Exercise and Diet. Keep the sugar down, drop the alcohol if you can. It doesn't have to be exercise that leaves you feeling like you've been beaten either. Walk to the shops that are 2kms away instead of driving.

Every person who says, "just remember someone else has it worse", needs to go on an ignore list or be defriended. People who acknowledge your suffering and say things like, "I don't know how you keep going", do immense good for your psyche. They value you and they can give you a boost that lasts for months with a couple of sentences.

I've a similar list of injuries and ailments and the only reason I keep going is that people depend on me, so make sure that you're doing stuff for others (I know you do, but don't give it up).

Lastly, don't turn down help when you need it, don't be afraid or too staunch to ask for it either.

[Paul in NZ]

Hey Willy, don't fall for anything related to the supplements or alt-med industry. They simply profit on the suffering of people and don't achieve anything except the occassional toxic overdose of a trace element. 10% of people experience significant easing of their symptoms by taking supplements but that fits the placebo effect precisely.

Exercise and Diet. Keep the sugar down, drop the alcohol if you can. It doesn't have to be exercise that leaves you feeling like you've been beaten either. Walk to the shops that are 2kms away instead of driving.

Every person who says, "just remember someone else has it worse", needs to go on an ignore list or be defriended. People who acknowledge your suffering and say things like, "I don't know how you keep going", do immense good for your psyche. They value you and they can give you a boost that lasts for months with a couple of sentences.

I've a similar list of injuries and ailments and the only reason I keep going is that people depend on me, so make sure that you're doing stuff for others (I know you do, but don't give it up).

Lastly, don't turn down help when you need it, don't be afraid or too staunch to ask for it either.

Jims pretty well on the money here. If you are sore you self medicate with a few drinks and...

Vicki is a great believer in supplements but they have never made any lasting difference other than the placebo effect. The one I will say though is IF you exercise hard out then protein can assist in recovery and building / repairing muscle tissue but its NOT a short track to Mr Universe... Only good genes and steroids will do that...

[Erelyes]

we were already looking at getting an exercise machine for the garage (cos Im soooo unfit nowadays lol), but Ive got so many major injury's that I have to be careful with the exercise thing, so I dont actually do more damage than good

Willy! Don't open the wallet yet man!

The problem was that most gym exercises (particularly machines) are great at isolating muscles and making them work hard and increase size. Things like walking actually use lots of other little muscles as well as the big ones. You have to engage them all and the weird exercises we all about waking them up.

EXACTLY. EXACTLY.

Here's the thing Willy. The exercise industry (gyms in particular) is loaded with stupid shit.
- Some get you tuckered out on the treadmill and THEN get you to go to the weights (huh?)
- When they do get you to the 'weights' it's on thousand-dollar machines that only excercise one muscle (huh?)
- Then they start doing shit like this


So many go to the gym, see sporadic results, get disheartened and give it up.

Here's what you should do.

1. Start with free exercises - pushups, horizontal rows (use a bar between two chairs), no-weight squats, lunges, chair dips. Deadlifting something light (a backpack filled with water bottles). Maybe chinups if you have something to hang off.
2. Work out Monday/Wed/Fri. Or Tues/Thurs/Sat. Or whatever, just do three days a week with gaps between. The gaps are to let your body recover.
3. You're after five sets of five, mixing it up. Do squats one day, lunges the next. Rows one day, Deadlifts the next. Dips one day, pushups the next.
4. Once all this is getting pretty easy, you can try increasing volume a bit. 5 sets of 6, 5 sets of 7, etc.
5. If this works out for you (and all it cost you was time), find yourself a gym with a barbell, bench, and powercage. Or buy those three things. This is all you need. Ignore the treadmills, the bikes, all the machines.
6. Read up on something to find out how to do the basic movements. I founddips the next. This site helped me starting out and this site as well.

In summary - do free shit, do it correctly, do it 3 days a week. See results and like what it's doing for you? Do some more.

[willytheekid]

Bloody hell after reading through this surprising there's any drugs left at the store after the KBers have visited LMAO

...I too was surprised at the amazing array of drug info from the KB crew...and the amounts some have gone through (And I thought I was broken! lol)

[willytheekid]

I can offer either a .38, 9mm or .45 injection.

Please leave your bike keys in the ignition.

.45 please...just dont miss!

...didnt you keep a spare?

[willytheekid]

Find a good physio or exercise therapist and see what they can do...

Thanks for the great advice Paul...My Charlotte is helping me organise the Vets etc, and she will ensure I do what Im told, including going to the "pain merchant" (Physio) ...last one did wonders, but omg!!...the pain they put ya through (Im such a wossy now lol)

Lastly, don't turn down help when you need it, don't be afraid or too staunch to ask for it either.

Yeah...thats kinda been the problem to be honest, just been dealing with it and not bothering to seek help, advice or let others know how bad it really is...cos im stupid! (its how I got in this state in the first place)

Willy! Don't open the wallet yet man!

In summary - do free shit, do it correctly, do it 3 days a week. See results and like what it's doing for you? Do some more.

Oh god no!, Im a cheap buggar! ...I think I will wait for the Vet etc to check me over and advise how bad the damage is before commiting to anything...just in case I do further damage

Bloody good advice tho, totally agree with the day on day off excersise structure, I used to do the gym many many many years ago lol, and your bang on, that day of rest is crucial, as is a structured and personally tailored work out routine.




My thanks to everyone for sharing there advice, tips and kind words of encouragement...its so nice to know I can bounce things off others on here and get such amazing feedback and advice...I had a good talk to My Charlotte last night, and admitted that I really do need some help (Shut up Nodrog!...u can't talk!)
...My Charlotte sends her thanks to you all for making see a Vet and providing me so much advice and options to discuss with them (She usually has to drag me kickin & screamin into the Vet...and only if Im lossing ALOT of blood lol...as FJ said, those fuckers have big needles!)

I have been reading and reading all the comments and advice, I have noted it all down and WILL be walking/hobbling into the Vets soon to start the rebuild job
...So again, my sincere thanks to you all


ps...no more rep available for 24hrs Gremlin?...really??...but...you knows I luvs sharing the Rep lots

[pritch]

I know what you mean when you mention the colder weather. My shoulders get painful when I ride, sometimes sooner, sometimes later, but it always arrives.

The doc prescribed anti-inflammatories but warned me, "They all eat holes in your stomach." So I don't take them unless there's a problem or a longish ride in prospect, and I take Solox at the same time to protect the stomach lining.

On my last trip around the South Island, maybe three years ago, I took an anti-inflammatory and the pills got me all the way around without too much discomfort.
Since then that drug, Diclofenac, has been identified as being related to an increased incidence of strokes so the doc changed the prescription. The new ones, Naproxen, don't seem to work as well but it may also be that the arthritis has just got worse.

If was going on a four hour ride I'd start taking them the day before. If I forget to take them I'll just take Ibuprofen instead, not that they seem to do much.

My left knee would sometimes lock and it needed to be straightened every so often or would let me know it wasn't happy. I took Glicosamine but it didn't do much, I may have left that a bit late. The new bionic knee works just fine.

All this may read as a bit trite to some but it seems very real at the time. The arthritis will be factored into any future bike purchase as my riding has changed. Touring capability will be less important as the rides will mostly be shorter, so lighter more flickable bikes like the KTM 690 Duke receive consideration.

Good luck with finding an answer, and don't forget to tell us if you do.

[Swoop]

.45 please...just dont miss!

Anything under 50 yards and you're in the box.
& no, I certainly didn't.

Hope you work out a solution to the aches and pains Willy. Perhaps a warmer climate which also provides more riding days!

[Flip]

Have to agree about the physio.

I was in agony after a injury and the young male (gorrila paws) sports physio was simply brillant. Better than a box of pain killers.

[Latte]

+1 on the exercise (and using bodyweight / freeweight exercise vs machines).

Even though I'm comparitively yoiung (I assume) I had a few Mountain bike and MX injuries catch up on me, and would struggle to get up off the couch or bed.

I got into an exercise routine using freeweights and "compound" exercises (Deads, squats, presses and rows), and after 6 months or so noticed most of the pain was gone. Especially lower back and knee. Actually it has me wondeering if the old injuries were the issue at all, and maybe it was my office job and lack of regular exercise.

Anyway, I've moved to a body weight routine (as in increasing body weight by drinking beer and eating delicious pies) for the last 6 months and the pain hasn't returned.

[swtfa]

+2 for exercise - weights, and try supplements like vitamin D, glucosamine and fish oil