Compulsory ABS

[Scubbo]

ACC so... ABS compulsory on farm quads too I'll bet along with roll cage and seatbelts.

[mossy1200]

ACC so... ABS compulsory on farm quads too I'll bet along with roll cage and seatbelts.

The new flexi roll bar for quads actually looks good. If I was farming I would get one. I could imagine farmers get caught out not by a lack of skills but more by a random event(hit sheep on slope etc).

http://www.northlandinc.co.nz/open-f...ech-industries

[ruaphu]

Wonder how long before scooters require them also.

Nah that half wit Andy Slack-Rrsted from NZTA will have em all banned by then and the rest of wrapped in bubble wrap.


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[spanner spinner]

ACC so... ABS compulsory on farm quads too I'll bet along with roll cage and seatbelts.

no abs yet but the roll cage and seatbelts are already here Honda call them MUV's http://www.hondamotorbikes.co.nz/mot...lity-vehicles/ Yamaha a ROV http://www.yamaha-motor.co.nz/products/atv/rov/all and Kawasaki a side by side http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/catalog/fa...y/side-by-side. These would be easy to fit abs to as they are in reality a open car.

[sidecar bob]

Sounds like a pretty good reason to not have ABS to me.
I don't like technology that is so intrusive it changes your habits negatively.
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You do like technology I suspect, what with being on the internets & all.
Would you rather ride a 1913 rudge with hand change & brakes that grip the rim?
I got to the point with my R1200gs where I use the traction control as the limiting factor when exiting corners cranked right over. Just hit the throttle & let the bike figure out what the maximum exit speed is. That's what I paid for.

[Gremlin]

I got to the point with my R1200gs where I use the traction control as the limiting factor when exiting corners cranked right over. Just hit the throttle & let the bike figure out what the maximum exit speed is. That's what I paid for.

Not sure which year you have, but I hope it's LC. I have first hand knowledge that fully enabled ESC on the 2010 hex wakes up far too late to be useful (and can make things worse).

Like most aids, don't rely on them, just count on them helping out when things get really bad.

[McWild]

It seems like there's a big market in Europe for road legal enduro bikes - even here all the KTMs and Husqys and what have you all come with road kit.

How is this going to affect them? Are we going to start seeing "KTM 350exc-f ABS"? Or will they just stop producing them as road legal bikes?

What about home-built vehicles also? Say someone out there built themself a custom trike or chopper or something, would that need an ABS system to get a cert?

[Big Dog]

You do like technology I suspect, what with being on the internets & all.
Would you rather ride a 1913 rudge with hand change & brakes that grip the rim?
I got to the point with my R1200gs where I use the traction control as the limiting factor when exiting corners cranked right over. Just hit the throttle & let the bike figure out what the maximum exit speed is. That's what I paid for.

You twisted that a fair bit.
I like tech. I am a professional geek after all. I a just not that keen on tech that modifies your habits negatively.
Power steering, synch mesh gearboxes, multi pot disk brakes, ecu's, electric start and many others are all very fine developments in their respective beasts.
What I am not keen on is a generation of drivers and riders who cannot safely navigate their way to the corner dairy an back without depending on driver aids.
I have owned and will happily own again sedans with ABS. Not sure I would want it full time in a 4wd. That would require further information for me to make that leap.

I didn't need ABS on the Hayabusa in 9 years including a fair number of emergency events. Probably because I drilled on that bike a lot.
I would be quite happy to have ABS on the CB1300, would not have changed my purchasing decision one jot. It may however have changed how many drills I did first week because I have only ever ridden ABS short distances and wasn't that keen on the sensation.
From what I have read, heard and seen on the idiot box I would probably require a lot more information and a fair amount of test riding before buying something similar to the DR350. But then I like the kick start and the minimalist riding style of the DR350.


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[Flip]

Maybe not quite dead. But it would make any genuine dual purpose machine a bunch less effective off road. And they still can't claim to stop a bike quicker on the road than one without abs for an experienced rider, so any such law would be a reall ass.

Only in perfect conditions on a race track. Otherwise even std abs rules.

If abs is set up on a race car it is just the ducks.

[baffa]

Ever tried ABS in a 90s car in a track? It's terrifying.
Would be interested to see what it's like on a race car.

I'd rather have switchable traction control than ABS on a bike, but that's just me.

[RDJ]

I'm sure it's true that people who practice emergency stopping (regularly), may be able to outperform ABS in a controlled situation. Speaking only for myself, based on my own comparison and not supervised testing... when I hired ABS-equipped bikes and on the rare occasions when I had to brake urgently, I did better/stopped sooner than on my own familiar bikes without ABS.

There are of course a couple of possible reasons. Maybe I'm just not practising emergency stops enough on my non-ABS equipped bikes. Or maybe ABS gives me the edge in an emergency stop where I can't process information and take the right technical actions with braking, quickly enough.

Based on the available literature/feedback, I suspect the latter.

If available I would retrofit ABS, but it probably isn't an option for my "fleet"

[Voltaire]

You do like technology I suspect, what with being on the internets & all.
Would you rather ride a 1913 rudge with hand change & brakes that grip the rim?
I got to the point with my R1200gs where I use the traction control as the limiting factor when exiting corners cranked right over. Just hit the throttle & let the bike figure out what the maximum exit speed is. That's what I paid for.

mmmm 1913 Rudge

You just don't get whicker like that any more.

My traction control pokes me in the back.

[jonbuoy]

I don´t think ABS mutually excludes learning how to brake on the limit of locking up. ABS won´t get tired, distracted, hungover, ill, fail to read the road surface or panic.