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    reality check peeps - we are ALL terminally ill. Ya know the ole "death and taxes" thing? Well, short of the rapture a-happenin' while we're alive on this here planet, we're all doomed to die.

    Cheery thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    I'm talking specifically about a terminally ill person choosing to terminate their life.

    If I'm ever in that position and I choose that path then it's tough shit if family don't like it.
    If it becomes legal then you'd have no objections from me if it's what you choose for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    not that I am anti-euthanasia - but the arguments that could be made (without any reference to god or religon) would be something along the lines of:

    - The Medical professions primary goal is to preserve life at all costs, Euthanasia violates this
    - Euthanasia rules out the possibility of trying a potential new cure
    - No one who is terminally ill and in pain can be judged to make a rational decision, any decision made would be in effect made under duress.

    Thats the best I got, and there are a few holes that I can poke in those arguments.
    Those are not 'rights'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    If it becomes legal then you'd have no objections from me if it's what you choose for yourself.
    ... and maha would bring his pom-poms...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    If it becomes legal then you'd have no objections from me if it's what you choose for yourself.
    You're not getting off that lightly.

    I'd hope that you'd be gracious enough to be happy for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    If it becomes legal then you'd have no objections from me if it's what you choose for yourself.
    That flat-line sound is because you tripped on the lead, not that you chose to do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    ... and maha would bring his pom-poms...
    I would bring my Lawyer to contest the will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Those are not 'rights'.
    with a few wording tweaks they could be made rights (afterall, rights are merely things that everyone agrees that we should have)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    with a few wording tweaks they could be made rights (afterall, rights are merely things that everyone agrees that we should have)
    Read this carefully....

    They. Are. Not. 'Rights'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Read this carefully....

    They. Are. Not. 'Rights'.
    The right to protect one's family and loved ones from harm?
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    Ok, maybe I should have spelt out I was talking about 'moral' right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    The right to protect one's family and loved ones from harm?
    And do you think that over-rides a terminally ill person's 'moral' right to choose the timing of their death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    And do you think that over-rides a terminally ill person's right to choose the timing of their death?
    Since you have not elaborated over the deciding factor in terminally ill. I do believe that right over-rides a person's right to choose the timing of their death in some circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Read this carefully....

    They. Are. Not. 'Rights'.
    'Rights' can be anything - the Right to bear arms, The Right to fish, The Right to Free speech, The Right to argue on the internet ad nauseum.

    So with a little rephrasing:

    It is the Right of a medical professional to preserve a patients life at all cost.
    It is the Right of a Patient to expect the utmost standard of care to maximize the chance of being cured
    It is the Right of a Patient to not be coerced or forced under duress to make decisions that could result in Harm

    Those could be Rights (if enough of us agree that they are Rights)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Since you have not elaborated over the deciding factor in terminally ill. I do believe that right over-rides a person's right to choose the timing of their death in some circumstances.
    Not many people would choose to end their life when first diagonised with a terminal illness. (But if they did, that should be their 'right').

    But terminally ill people spend considerable time coming to terms with the way their death is going to play out.

    If a time is reached when they have no more hope (or energy to fight) and medicine has nothing more to offer, what 'right' do you have to deny them calling "enough's enough"?

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