W(h)anganui pronunciation

[sidecar bob]

Lets just get something straight, while we're talking about use of language and whatnot.

If people read what you right, and call you on what you are saying - I won't repeat it but basically it comes off as the basest, most appalling racism I have struck in a long while

It comes off to me as another poor cunt that's sick & tired of other people squandering his tax dollars on whimsical bullshit while forcing their minority opinions on others.

[jasonu]

It comes off to me as another poor cunt that's sick & tired of other people squandering his tax dollars on whimsical bullshit while forcing their minority opinions on others.

Wot he said!!!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

It comes off to me as another poor cunt that's sick & tired of other people squandering his tax dollars on whimsical bullshit while forcing their minority opinions on others.

or "democracy" as its sometimes known.



It comes across to me like a butthurt fuckwit looking for someone else to blame for their shitty life and bad choices.

[jellywrestler]

or "democracy" as its sometimes known.



It comes across to me like a butthurt fuckwit looking for someone else to blame for their shitty life and bad choices.

nbot really, they did a referendum in the town and i think 79% of the locals wanted no change, that isn't democracy

[nodrog:Me]

.....79% of the locals wanted no change

Fuckin bullshit. Every time I walk downtown there, at least 3 people ask me for some change.

[TheDemonLord]

The top 5% of households in terms of income in this country, pay 47% of net tax in New Zealand. Households up to $60,000 income receive more in welfare on average than they pay in tax. Therefore those earning over $60,000 in income, subsidise other people's vices, stupidities as well as of course everybody' appropriate needs (e.g. disaster relief, justice, sickness benefits, roads, police etc etc) as well as their virtues and desires. Yet clearly you don't think those who disagree with the way you feel taxes should be spent, should be allowed to have any opinion when tax money and rates money is frittered away on stupid policies.

There is certainly an argument to be made along those lines - but then we regress to the state that Voting was originally, in which only the Landed Gentry (who owned land) had the right to vote and tended not to vote on policies that benefitted the lower classes.

At the same time however, the notion that one person, one vote - with no discriminating factor (ie test to determine ones eligibility to vote) also has it's downsides - the fact that has been outlined above (assuming it is valid - Source?) - where the 5% who contribute the 47% of tax to the government don't get 47% of the say in where/how it is spent.

[sidecar bob]

Fuckin bullshit. Every time I walk downtown there, at least 3 people ask me for some change.

Yeah that would be right, they will be some of the 21 percent that want change.

[sidecar bob]

There is certainly an argument to be made along those lines - but then we regress to the state that Voting was originally, in which only the Landed Gentry (who owned land) had the right to vote and tended not to vote on policies that benefitted the lower classes.

At the same time however, the notion that one person, one vote - with no discriminating factor (ie test to determine ones eligibility to vote) also has it's downsides - the fact that has been outlined above (assuming it is valid - Source?) - where the 5% who contribute the 47% of tax to the government don't get 47% of the say in where/how it is spent.

I think we made a huge step backwards somewhere along the line some time ago.
Don't you ever pull up at the lights & look to both sides of you & see carloads of people that are too stupid & non contributing to society to be allowed to vote. It happens to me all the time.
You should have to be in a certain tax bracket to be allowed to vote, that would ensure that only contributors got a say.

[oldrider]

I think we made a huge step backwards somewhere along the line some time ago.
Don't you ever pull up at the lights & look to both sides of you & see carloads of people that are too stupid & non contributing to society to be allowed to vote. It happens to me all the time.
You should have to be in a certain tax bracket to be allowed to vote, that would ensure that only contributors got a say.

Why do you think they want to lower the voting age? More media contrived votes!

[nodrog:Me]

....... Don't you ever pull up at the lights & look to both sides of you & see carloads of people that are too stupid & non contributing to society to be allowed to vote.....

only when I'm sidecar racing.

[TheDemonLord]

I think we made a huge step backwards somewhere along the line some time ago.
Don't you ever pull up at the lights & look to both sides of you & see carloads of people that are too stupid & non contributing to society to be allowed to vote. It happens to me all the time.
You should have to be in a certain tax bracket to be allowed to vote, that would ensure that only contributors got a say.

Well, I certainly am inclined that way - but there has to be balance. Could I trust even myself that I would always make good decisions for and on the part of those who would be excluded from Voting.

I would like to think I could

[Grumph]

only when I'm sidecar racing.

Superb, sir...

A novelist - Nevil Shute I think - once wrote about an evolved Australia ( yeah, oxymoron ) where there was a voting system where extra votes above the basic one were earned. Extra for service in armed forces, fire, police, ambo. Extra for employing above a certain number of people...you get the picture.
Memory has just chimed in - you could earn a max of four votes. A fifth was available by doing something extraordinary - like a VC.

May one day be worth revisting.

[sidecar bob]

Being alive for long enough to be a certain age qualifies you to vote no more than it qualifies you to drive.

[sidecar bob]

only when I'm sidecar racing.

Fuckin same, that's why I quit.

[Grumph]

Being alive for long enough to be a certain age qualifies you to vote no more than it qualifies you to drive.

You've really got to get out of Tauranga....