Network Attached Storage recommendations

[Scuba_Steve]

Wait, you're backing up over wireless?

Please don't.... use cables...

yea, yea... It's working fine at the mo has been for the past couple years
Wiring up the house with Giggity etherwebs now; Cat6 tho to be honest with the care (or lack there of) I'm giving it it'll prob only comply with Cat5e... but hey it's as good as 70% of "Cat6" installations out there according to 1 study & I didn't pay thousands of $$$ for it so I'm still 1 up

[Gremlin]

Wiring up the house with Giggity etherwebs now; Cat6 tho to be honest with the care (or lack there of) I'm giving it it'll prob only comply with Cat5e... but hey it's as good as 70% of "Cat6" installations out there according to 1 study & I didn't pay thousands of $$$ for it so I'm still 1 up

Cable cost difference between 5e and 6 is quite negligible now, but 5e won't automatically cap your transfer at 100mb. One thing you don't want is dodgy wiring where devices can't connect properly etc.

[eldog]

Do you want a fancy GUI type software, do you want specific backup software that will encapsulate all the data into one backup file (specific to that software) or do you actually want replication?

Specific backup software: ShadowProtect (paid), Macrium (think there is a free consumer version)
Replication: Rsync, cwRsync derivative, BeyondCompare etc etc.

Prefer replication over specific one backup file.
want to also sync with a vista based laptop
mostly cad.photos.video (someone elses who wants it edited and written to dvds-a number of projects which have me at a loss at the MO. Its holding up my riding)
dont mind paying as long as its reliable
Have several WD NAS drives for rotation

Gremlin i will look at your suggestions

[Akzle]

Cable cost difference between 5e and 6 is quite negligible now, but 5e won't automatically cap your transfer at 100mb. One thing you don't want is dodgy wiring where devices can't connect properly etc.

so's the throughput

[Akzle]

Prefer replication over specific one backup file.
want to also sync with a vista based laptop
mostly cad.photos.video (someone elses who wants it edited and written to dvds-a number of projects which have me at a loss at the MO. Its holding up my riding)
dont mind paying as long as its reliable
Have several WD NAS drives for rotation

Gremlin i will look at your suggestions

rsync. Learn it.

Its free as shit and linux > winblows all day long.

Cygwin your shit, too, windows gui is almost as uteless as its (former) cli.

[Scuba_Steve]

Cable cost difference between 5e and 6 is quite negligible now, but 5e won't automatically cap your transfer at 100mb. One thing you don't want is dodgy wiring where devices can't connect properly etc.

Wiring is all good, just not expecting it to pass any Cat6 certification for termination; but then I wasn't planning 10Gig anytime soon, the 1Gb of Cat5e or whatever standard my wiring would meet is plenty for now & still faster/more resilient than the non-duplex N-AC wireless I have as alternative
As for cost... well only thing I've bought so far is a punchdown tool (tho might have to buy some RJ45 plugs too)

[Gremlin]

As for cost... well only thing I've bought so far is a punchdown tool (tho might have to buy some RJ45 plugs too)

Better you than me. I can't terminate for shit

[Scuba_Steve]

Better you than me. I can't terminate for shit

haha it's easy with practice.
I used to run a network lab, ALOT of etherwebs running/terminations got more advanced at that than anything else; fuck I even got pretty proficient at terminating solid RJ45 plugs onto stranded cable (or was it the other way round?) due to incorrect order & urgency on cables

[eldog]

rsync. Learn it.

Its free as shit and linux > winblows all day long.

Cygwin your shit, too, windows gui is almost as uteless as its (former) cli.

will look at rsync
I know Linux is supposed to be better than Windows (which seems to have endless amounts of crap protecting itself)
but
its another thing I have to learn, so much crap I am dealing with at the MO, I really don't need extra.

Cygwin?

cli = command line interface
windows gui is great occasionally but rarely delivers on promise

and I am over all the 'Security' updates - I try and keep the network off line as much as possible

[Latte]

If you want to stay on windows check out xcopy or robocopy. Not in the same league as rsync but close enough for your purposes.

[Akzle]

If you want to stay on windows check out xcopy or robocopy. Not in the same league as rsync but close enough for your purposes.

xcopy is a whore. Robocopy sounds third party.

[Akzle]

will look at rsync
I know Linux is supposed to be better than Windows (which seems to have endless amounts of crap protecting itself)
but
its another thing I have to learn, so much crap I am dealing with at the MO, I really don't need extra.

Cygwin?

cli = command line interface
windows gui is great occasionally but rarely delivers on promise

and I am over all the 'Security' updates - I try and keep the network off line as much as possible

this is all you need to learn:

rsync myshitiwanttobackup whereiwantitbackedup

most other shit happens automatically, replaces old versions of files with newer ones, doesnt waste bandwidth. Just fuken works.

Only thing it doesnt do it backup two remote locations, but theres grsync (?) for that.

[Big Dog]

xcopy is a whore. Robocopy sounds third party.

Robocopy is baked in for win 7 and server 08.
Can be added to any windows version later that xp or server 2003.

I use it a lot because it is recursive, can be throttled, auto scales and retries up to the level you specify.

I have used it and seen it cope with over 100,000 media files 6tb.


When my box is online (unplugged at the Mo for renovations) my ftp data files are mirrored via this as a backup which means I don't need to fuck about with matching spindles partitions etc.
Files that match my rules are backed up to a third drive daily. Weekly snapshots of that are backed up onto a fourth drive. Allowing for a lot of regression with only important files backed up.
The box is a 2000ish dell with xp pro and 2gb ram.
Provides backup and media backup for three domestic users and movie streaming.

Also operates as a print server and shared DVD burner.

Except when streaming my 15yo box trickles along at 15% CPU. Sure I could open my wallet and get something with better burst. But why?
Because I would be able to transfer a tb of data quicker? Not for domestic use.

As an interim measure I have similar scripted chips of my user data on my local box. Couple of externals and a couple of old internals with anything valuable going of site.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc733145.aspx

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[eldog]

Ta Akzle/Big Dog - food for thought

Did try Robocopy - results seemed a big vague - I was trying to synch Laptop (Vista) and Windows 8 with approx. 1TB of data

I should have done a small section to make sure but I was under pressure. I was getting worried I would loose everything as previous backups had failed to finish for unknown reasons in the middle of the night.
Even worked along side it for 12 hours no problem, went home crashed approx. an hour after WTF!

I have a very small network here I want to automatically backup 5 computers and swopp a NAS / synch it with at least another while doing FileHistory at the same time.

If its raining on the weekend - I will give it a run again and look at rsync/grsync as well.

The WD NAS Mirror drive is much quicker when used as a straight drive via a network cable direct to computer.. Its a good system for novices like me.
home use would be a piece of cake.
I have all but given up on the Smartware (Too many files - 1.8M over 930 GB space, lots of file changes per day 500 per day typical, I think it struggles to keep track of it all.)

Big Dog, link is a great help - I didn't know about all the multiple commands - I remember some of the DOS ones but the CPM ones are a bit vague

[Big Dog]

Ta Akzle/Big Dog - food for thought

Did try Robocopy - results seemed a big vague - I was trying to synch Laptop (Vista) and Windows 8 with approx. 1TB of data

I should have done a small section to make sure but I was under pressure. I was getting worried I would loose everything as previous backups had failed to finish for unknown reasons in the middle of the night.
Even worked along side it for 12 hours no problem, went home crashed approx. an hour after WTF!

I have a very small network here I want to automatically backup 5 computers and swopp a NAS / synch it with at least another while doing FileHistory at the same time.

If its raining on the weekend - I will give it a run again and look at rsync/grsync as well.

The WD NAS Mirror drive is much quicker when used as a straight drive via a network cable direct to computer.. Its a good system for novices like me.
home use would be a piece of cake.
I have all but given up on the Smartware (Too many files - 1.8M over 930 GB space, lots of file changes per day 500 per day typical, I think it struggles to keep track of it all.)

Big Dog, link is a great help - I didn't know about all the multiple commands - I remember some of the DOS ones but the CPM ones are a bit vague

Save what you want to do to a text file.
Change the extension to CMD
Schedule it as a task, add any desired triggers.

E.g, When my box was on line I had a laptop (since scarificed for parts) that backed up the my documents every 15 minutes to the box. To make sure my weak ass laptop didnt bog when first connected the script ran with a bit of a delay in between writes and only 2 threads allowed that ran on home lan or home wifi connect.
I have read where others have set it to trigger on close of certain apps but I prefer to catch all at this point.

If you want you can then add a zip task to the job to compress your backup.

IF that works you add a date to the file name.

PM me your email if you want a sanitised version of a script to modify to your needs.