Working out power consumption

[madboy]

Tell your flat mate, the insurance company will be coming after him to get their payout money Back if his unattended heater started the fire!!

Hell yeah, I work for an insurer, and I know exactly what happens when a dumbass flatmate leaves something on. If the dumbass isn't insured, your insurance company will nail his ass... If he is, then his premiums just went through the roof

[Biff]

Piss Over Ivy

P/I*V

P-Power
I-Current
V-Voltage

[TwoSeven]

A 50W heater uses 50W per hour. You are billed roughly between 0.15c to 0.20c per kilowat hour.

So the heater will be using 1Kw after 20 hours of constant use.

However, I've never heard of a 50W bar heater (doesnt mean they dont exist). 500W would be more reasonable. (A light bulb uses 100W), so your flatemate is trying to use half a lightbulb to heat a room. Is not going to happen. If the room has a window in it, the thermal loss will probably be greater.

I wont allow bar heaters to be used in the house. I'd certainly go ballistic of one of the flatemates went out and didnt turn off the lekky, let alone leave a heater on.

[kerryg]

[QUOTE=vifferman]Our last powerbill was $440 for the month.

[QUOTE]


Holy sshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



C/mon Vifferman, tell the truth...you're growing dope under lights, aren't you????

[pyrocam]

lol fish and madboy
I worked at dick smith for 2 years and AA insurance as a claims handler for 2 years.
a) im not going to stick a multimeter on the mains even though you are right I should check it, and I know it wouldnt blow up as long as I didnt get one of the $30 ones and knew how to use it (dont stick it on volts and in parrallel kiddies)

b) hahah yeah that would be some sweet sweet revenge. I think he doesnt I dont know. maybe I should encourage him to leave papers over his floor etc.... no I like my stuff actually.

[Fart]

Energy and Water Consumption.

http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/AbtCit/...seholdapps.pdf

http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/AbtCit/.../savingwtr.pdf

[Deano]

Hell yeah, I work for an insurer, and I know exactly what happens when a dumbass flatmate leaves something on. If the dumbass isn't insured, your insurance company will nail his ass... If he is, then his premiums just went through the roof

I thought they covered stupidity.

The insurance companies will hassle you for payment but I think they have to prove negligence, and in most cases are probably bluffing. I bet some poor fools have paid up thinking they had to. There's one born every minute.

My insurance company paid out years ago even though I got done for careless driving so what's the difference ?

[crashe]

Pyrocam - Show your flatmate the last two or three power bills.
Then show him the latest one... he gets to pay the HUGE difference.

I can't believe that some people have no idea that leaving the bar heaters running 24/7 isnt gonna UP the power bill.. and what risks they are putting everyone in.

What happens mate, when you have one too many drinks and flake out... he knocks the heater or clothes fall onto it... you are out cold... you wont know about the fire let alone smell the smoke. Same thing when you all go out to work... do you want to come home and find you have no home. He is being irresponsible.

Turn it on when you wake up to warm up and turn it off when you go out to work.
Turn it on when you get home from work to warm up the room at night and turn it off when you go to sleep.

There is no need to leave the heater running 24/7.

[Bartman10]

The radiant energy emited by a surface is 5.6697E-8 *T^4 W/M^2

If you can see the heater glowing it is at least 873 K. Assume the lenght of the bar is 500 mm and the radius 10 mm. Using these conservitive estimates, that would give you AT LEAST 517 watt, or between 6 and 8 cents per hour.

Which is between $44.50 and $60 dollars per month.

You cant argue with the physics. If you could give me the actual lenth and radius of the bar, I'll give you a better figure.

The fire risk is also serious.

[pyrocam]

Which Single bar heater of the below is 50w Pyro?? 1200 watts is the lowest.

BTW the first column is watts, then cents, then per day/hour whatever.

Maybe he should put a heated towel rail in his room.

none of them
when I was speaking to Mercury Energy the girl said she had seen them and they WERE actually really efficeint. unlike todays oil heaters pumping in 1200w to 2400w

[Beemer]

I used to work for a power company and people with new babies were the first ones to notice a huge increase in their power bills - usually caused by leaving an oil-filled heater on 24/7 - they really do chew through the power and can easily add $100 or more a month to your bill. Water heating is the highest cost - at least a third to a half of your total bill.

We're lucky - we live on a ridge so get all day sun, the house is only five years old and has good insulation and windows that actually seal properly, and we have a wetback on the fire. Dearest bill we've ever had was $112 - and then we found out it was for 58 days and not the usual 28 because they'd forgotten to send an account the month before! This month it is an estimate - $67, it's a little under, but only about $9 so it's not worth worrying about. And we have a friend with a 50 acre forestry block he's clearing - so no firewood cost either!

[TwoSeven]

Water heating is a bugger in our flat.

We have a small cylinder which is good and are on night rate. Save money you think - like bollox.

What happens is that during the day, everyone has showers and half empties the cylinder. It promptly tops itself up, but with cold water. So by 5pm the cylinder has gone cold. Then when the night-rate kicks in, we are charged for heating the entire cylinder, even tho we only used half the water.

I'm working on generating my own lekky, so one day I will create a system where we heat our own water and bugger the power companies.

Next year, I'm going to switch over to day rate and see if it makes a difference as to how much excess water heating we used.

[Brian d marge]

Ahh the joys of nuclear power.we can leave our heater and aircon on all day and night and at the end of the month its 8000 yen 1/50th of my wage approx the water is heated by gas which is even cheaper ...all in all our utillitys bill is about 60 000 a month that includes 2 internet connections, 2 mobile phone bills etc
If I remember it was called the heat light index ,,,and NZ WAS 4th ie very good ,,now who knows .....?? 40th??? 4000th ??

possibly all those CEO s who feel they are worth the markets rate ....my point there is the market rate in bunga bunga land .....or the deepest sudan is a lot less that corperate America ......

( you know I could never fathom that,,,even with my maths level ......if the company earns 10 dollars and you pay the ceo 5 dollars you only have 5 dollars left ....as in If you took Telescums gutted bird s 1 million wage and walked down to the unemployment office and said we need some labourers to dig a trench down columbo street so we can lay super fast light speed fibre optics ..to stephen house ,,,so he can watch naughtys .... you would still walk away with beer money for the boys ,,,,,)

The above is very simplistic , but is intended to draw the point ....2 many chiefs and not enough well paid indians .. ( the basics in a country should be virtually free and available to everyone ...... and I promise to give everyone a loaf of bread and a job ....

Stephen

here what you doing with that ice pick ....put it down before someone gets hurt ........

[madboy]

I thought they covered stupidity.

The insurance companies will hassle you for payment but I think they have to prove negligence, and in most cases are probably bluffing. I bet some poor fools have paid up thinking they had to. There's one born every minute.

My insurance company paid out years ago even though I got done for careless driving so what's the difference ?

The caselaw I was thinking of did have an element of negligence in it, so I guess you could be right. I'm not in general insurance, so I'm only going by the highlights I hear. You are right, though, about stupidity, they do cover that. The vast majority of fire and general insurance claims are as a result of stupidity. They'd be outta business if they stopped covering that!!

I would have thought if the insurance company can prove in the case of multiple flatmates and therefore multiple contents policies, where one flatmate left the heater on that caused the fire that that flatmates insurer would be up for the claim... prob just as well I don't work in general insurance!!

[pyrocam]

The caselaw I was thinking of did have an element of negligence in it, so I guess you could be right. I'm not in general insurance, so I'm only going by the highlights I hear. You are right, though, about stupidity, they do cover that. The vast majority of fire and general insurance claims are as a result of stupidity. They'd be outta business if they stopped covering that!!

I would have thought if the insurance company can prove in the case of multiple flatmates and therefore multiple contents policies, where one flatmate left the heater on that caused the fire that that flatmates insurer would be up for the claim... prob just as well I don't work in general insurance!!

I did general.
the person at fault needs not just to be negligible but it has to be proven 'Gross negligence' so not just a slip of the mind. or thinking that his heater isnt a fire risk. but lets say. sellotaped his heater to the wall hot side facing it and left it on. thats gross. or lighting an open fire on your bed to keep you warm.