NZTA hypocrites caught demonstrating that speed does not kill

[Swoop]

The solution to speed cameras could be as simple as using a bit of Blu Tac...

[Big Dog]

I worked with you in the '80's. One of the "senior" guys at my job would drive the work Vauxhall Chevette on the open road at 80kph. In third. "What's the hurry? we get paid by the hour".. plus if it takes us long enough we get overtime.....

I still remember the whine the thing used to make.

I spun the car 360 degrees on a wet road pressing on with cars parked either side. Didn't hit one. Unbefuckingleivable.

Not quite 80/100. But I sure don't speed.
I sure do give more room than I need to at intersections.

I tend to drive other people's hardware at the lesser of the law and how they personally would drive it.

In the last 15 years about 10% or less of my road use has involved a steering wheel.
If my work vehicle was a motorcycle I couldn't say my answer wouldn't be different.


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[TheDemonLord]

Damn you for making me multi quote.... well if your only doing 100k the closing speed is much slower, more time to react. Pretty simple really and has been said a lot by cops and others.

Love the Multi Quote

That is a Strawman argument - simply being slower does not inherently give more time to react - it is perfectly possible to cross the centreline at 80 kph, 100 kph and 130 kph and have the exact same reaction time - the only difference being the distance separating the vehicles when the line is crossed.

The statement by the Cops and others is predicated on the same scenario, with the vehicles being the same distance apart when the line was crossed - the only factor being changed is speed, however this is not the same way that the commentators you mentioned are implying the statement to mean - which is that somehow traveling at higher speeds means it is impossible to have sufficient reaction time to avoid an incident.

The faster you go the less reaction time for others mistakes. Eg at roadworks if you hit a roadworker at 30k still likely to kill him. The reason for the 30k limit is so you have chance to avoid him if he steps or falls in front of you.

And funnily enough, I have no problem going slow near road works with people working on them.

But we're generally agreed there writing out tickets 99% of time.....

No one likes speed tickets but really its a lost argument that a govt would spend so much money to get 'revenue' when they could just tax us all another $5 a year....

Nope - prior to the rigid enforcement of speed, the Highway cops still existed - it is only a policy change that has happened, you are trying to chicken/egg the argument.

and besides - your maths of $5 is faulty - since you used the 4 million people - you actually need to use the Tax paying members of society- which from memory is closer to about 1 million (Children don't pay Tax, Super annuits don't really, same with people on the benefit)

[Bassmatt]

Love the Multi Quote

That is a Strawman argument - simply being slower does not inherently give more time to react - it is perfectly possible to cross the centreline at 80 kph, 100 kph and 130 kph and have the exact same reaction time - the only difference being the distance separating the vehicles when the line is crossed.

The statement by the Cops and others is predicated on the same scenario, with the vehicles being the same distance apart when the line was crossed - the only factor being changed is speed, however this is not the same way that the commentators you mentioned are implying the statement to mean - which is that somehow traveling at higher speeds means it is impossible to have sufficient reaction time to avoid an incident.



And funnily enough, I have no problem going slow near road works with people working on them.


and besides - your maths of $5 is faulty - since you used the 4 million people - you actually need to use the Tax paying members of society- which from memory is closer to about 1 million (Children don't pay Tax, Super annuits don't really, same with people on the benefit)

Anyone with an interest bearing bank account pays tax in this country, child or not.

[Smifffy]

Anyone with an interest bearing bank account pays tax in this country, child or not.

Yup, and many on the bene have less in the bank than the fine for 10km over the limit. So the approx 30% tax on the $2 interest they earn, spread across all of the tax funded programs doesn't go very far.

[R650R]

Smarter Policing, aka budget cutbacks from national....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7118...r-breath-tests

Since the new limit rolled out I've had about zero checkpoints outside my house where previously it was a good spot for them. High traffic area with blind corner approach and lots of wanted ferals living nearby, disqualified drivers etc... the tow trucks were busy.
And right next door Mr Rugby player has his frequent booze up and his half cut mates keep on driving away, never a checkpoint on those nights for some strange reason....
Given that about 1-1.5% of people stopped are DUI that means they have missed out on 7500 'dangerous drunk drivers', what does that look like on the road toll stats during same time frame????
Bet it sure looks good on the courts and jail balance sheet and helped stopped overcrowding at a time of the serco debacle....

[J.A.W.]

Blue tac, or white board marker on rego plate( depending on symbols needing amendment) can work, if in a hurry..

As for speeding in company shitboxes, yeah - generally don't bother, its 'bidness time' after all..

Unless for example - some poseur on a Ducati is having ludicrous knee-down fantasies on a long 180` motorway on-ramp..
& you want to give him a hurry-up in the crappy company Cramry ( V6 understeering its tits off, but still right up his slow 1/2 arse)..

Awkward.. ( but as a motorcycle rider its your bounden duty to drive your appointed cage in the proper manner, right, eh, sportsfans)..

[HenryDorsetCase]

Blue tac, or white board marker on rego plate( depending on symbols needing amendment) can work, if in a hurry..

As for speeding in company shitboxes, yeah - generally don't bother, its 'bidness time' after all..

Unless for example - some poseur on a Ducati is having ludicrous knee-down fantasies on a long 180` motorway on-ramp..
& you want to give him a hurry-up in the crappy company Cramry ( V6 understeering its tits off, but still right up his slow 1/2 arse)..

Awkward.. ( but as a motorcycle rider its your bounden duty to drive your appointed cage in the proper manner, right, eh, sportsfans)..

With my new job I drive a lot more and I have this thing on the motorway onramp on the way to work. If I am stopped at the bottom of it and am first when the lights go green the question is how fast I can be going by the end of the merge lane.... best is 160 because of slow car and stupid traffics.