MNZ new drug and alcohol rule

[jellywrestler]

I'm not a racer anymore either - but I've still got a few customers who are. If then, I turn up to a meeting to assist them, while on drugs for one or more medical conditions, which if I were riding would be a no-no....My customer is liable to disqualification.
This situation is real, I seriously doubt if I'd be able to get a comp license now due to health issues. This doesn't stop me helping people though...But am i now putting them at risk?

As you say, bullshit situation. Just one more reason to pull back from involvement.

didn't realise it included viagra.

[ellipsis]

...couldn't we all just just piss in a styrofoam cup, send it to Huntly by wednesday , they could blend it all, take an average reading of whatever it is they wish to find and then decide whether there will be any racing in the country on the following weekend...that sounds fair and democratic...the office piss would be a separate affair as we would only be checking for signs of life...

[Shaun Harris]

Shit, I wonder what they are going to do when a PAYING SPECTATOR is spotted drinking a beer and having a laugh with his mates. WTF wrote these rules

[jellywrestler]

...couldn't we all just just piss in a styrofoam cup, send it to Huntly by wednesday , they could blend it all, take an average reading of whatever it is they wish to find and then decide whether there will be any racing in the country on the following weekend...that sounds fair and democratic...the office piss would be a separate affair as we would only be checking for signs of life...

good move, is that one cup per rider, class or team?
maybe for this team it could be Two Girls one Cup?

[ellipsis]

good move, is that one cup per rider, class or team?
maybe for this team it could be Two Girls one Cup?

...that point should be left up to someone who has no interest or contact with the sport...they could decide in a National Poll for the Uninterested, what amount of piss should be taken and from who, and delivered to the office by no later than midnight of the prior Tuesday...cannot get more fair than that...

[Drew]

I'm not a racer anymore either - but I've still got a few customers who are. If then, I turn up to a meeting to assist them, while on drugs for one or more medical conditions, which if I were riding would be a no-no....My customer is liable to disqualification.
This situation is real, I seriously doubt if I'd be able to get a comp license now due to health issues. This doesn't stop me helping people though...But am i now putting them at risk?

As you say, bullshit situation. Just one more reason to pull back from involvement.

Doesn't really matter if anyone is a racer or not. I just like digging at the little cheat, and find it ironic that he posts about fairness after having admitted to it.

This rule is another good example of a good idea being taken too far, then worded so piss poorly as to be completely moot.

There is an example of someone dying who had drugs in his system that MAY have contributed to his accident. Followed by quite an outcry for public safety. I believe this rule is a reaction to those events, and is probably the result of too many people all wanting to put their two cents in. All in some twisted self gratification of "doing good".

I dunno, I really just wanna get on our sidecar and race. But given that I'm an hyperactive arsehole, there's every chance some track official could think I'm peaking. With this rule, it's. "Fuck off you. Take it up with the authorities if ya don't like it".

If someone hanging out with us is suspected and we got sent home, I'd probably get arrested for my reaction.

[mossy1200]

If one competitor or anyone linked to that person who falsely accuses another competitor get the 3 month ban instead?

[Shaun Harris]

This is the biggest can of worms that I have seen ever racing in the countries I have raced in around the world. ( Sorry Drew, it was all for free also) . It is going to end up with Legal court battles, costing all the MNZ license holders money, that OWN MNZ by the way.

[scott411]

it will be interesting to see who gets this tried on first,

Shaun, your idea about taking your own test is not great IMO, try using that one when you get pulled over by the cops,

but Stewards taking test kits for who they suspect is a better idea,

[sidecar bob]

...that point should be left up to someone who has no interest or contact with the sport...they could decide in a National Poll for the Uninterested, what amount of piss should be taken and from who.

A vote should be taken at riders briefing to decide who should have the piss taken out of them on any given race day. MNZ should then be required to take the piss at that point without delay.

[Grumph]

A vote should be taken at riders briefing to decide who should have the piss taken out of them on any given race day. MNZ should then be required to take the piss at that point without delay.

Put that in as a remit....PLEASE.

[Shaun Harris]

it will be interesting to see who gets this tried on first,

Shaun, your idea about taking your own test is not great IMO, try using that one when you get pulled over by the cops,

but Stewards taking test kits for who they suspect is a better idea,

Scott, could you elaberate as to why NOT re my idea of a test kit. They are purchases at a chemist and in a sealed container, so are 100% legit! This idea is the only one so far amongst all these intelligent racers in this thread that will keep the sport FAIR for all involved. The current new rules are just a tool for powers that be to victimise people. Again, " The old boys club" leeps out at me

[Drew]

Scott, could you elaberate as to why NOT re my idea of a test kit. They are purchases at a chemist and in a sealed container, so are 100% legit! This idea is the only one so far amongst all these intelligent racers in this thread that will keep the sport FAIR for all involved. The current new rules are just a tool for powers that be to victimise people. Again, " The old boys club" leeps out at me

Because how do the officials know it hasn't been tampered with you thick cunt? The test samples have to be taken by certified testers and with their gear, for any results to be legitimate. Trying to be prepared by offering a sample in a cup is pointless.

[Voltaire]

They have portable test kits, Just need to have the Steward do it after sign on and helmet check.


To say suspicion is good enough is like the cop saying you were speeding or over the limit with no testing....bit 1980's

[scott411]

Scott, could you elaberate as to why NOT re my idea of a test kit. They are purchases at a chemist and in a sealed container, so are 100% legit! This idea is the only one so far amongst all these intelligent racers in this thread that will keep the sport FAIR for all involved. The current new rules are just a tool for powers that be to victimise people. Again, " The old boys club" leeps out at me

just because it is sealed, does not mean it is up to spec or has not been resealed, as i said, can you take your own breathalyser to a cop shop to prove your innocence, I am with you that the current wording is not right, and the suspicion of something should not be enough to ban someone for a day without some argument, I believe that at least at street races, their should be some kind of random testing,

the fact is, someone died at a race with illegal drugs in their system, and the police and coroner will take a very dim view of the organisers if this happens again,

When i raced speedway i got random drug and alcohol tested once, it was a work place type testing van that turned up, and a number of us got randomly drawn, this happened a few times a season, i dont think anyone would have an issue if something like this turned up at street race,


again this shows why i think that Road and off road are not well served being in the same organisation at times, a lot of these issues happen at road racing where the high speed (or more so the high speed stopping) causes deaths, , and brings in more compliance for dirt bike events, which have a much lower risk factor for deaths,