How safe is your workplace?

[haydes55]

Put your concerns / questions / issues ... in writing ... and E.mail it to your employer.

Then if have to sit through boring courses, spend double as long at each job going through health and safety shit and get issue less (commission).

I did a site safe course once. If anyone needs to be told the shit they talked about, they deserve to die. It was about as helpful as telling a sparky to not lick a live wire... The sparky shouldn't be dumb enough to do it in the first place.

[ellipsis]

I seen to remember you reporting your wife being thrown out of bed in the first quake, chased round the room by the bed, and then given a good kicking by said bed....
Do you really want to risk that again ? Obviously going to bed is far too dangerous - look at the numbers who die there...

...she will be safe, she'll be working...someone has to pay the bills...I'll take the risk, unless it's a good day, then I may just get up at lunch time and go for a ride...

[Kickaha]

then I may just get up at lunch time

Fucking lazy cunt

[Voltaire]

Best " Site Safe" course I ever did was on London Underground, got to walk over Live tracks, and use fire extinguishers on a real petrol fire., that was about 1991.
The site I manage has loads of fire extinguishers but the policy is get out of the building and don't be a hero.

[Headbanger]

I work in customers roof cavities, alone. I work in very confined spaces (I once had to tape ducting to my leg and pull my body through a 6m cavity because there wasn't enough room for me to lie and have ducting beside me), I have no confined working training at all.

I work on ladders up to 5m high. No working at heights training, no ladder safety videos, nothing. Here's a ladder, lean it against that, climb. Training done.

I work in extreme temperatures, as cold as -5, highest was 66 degrees (+/-4 degrees accuracy if our temp probes). My training consists of the boss supplying squincher to add to our water. I had to do an induction to the company, questions of how to install, how to service etc. And a section on how to recognize heat stroke and how to prevent it. We had an installation manual which had the answers to every question, but I couldn't find the answers to what they wanted to know about heat stroke, so I guessed an answer. I got the second highest score in the franchise for the entire induction.

Never done a first aid course, yet I work with knives, power tools and in dangerous places.

I spend about 2-3 hours a day driving, no driver training (my contract specifically says I'm not allowed to race any work vehicle).

I'm due to die soon, surely.

Most likely,Though luck rather then skill will be on your side right to the end....as to when the end will be?

for me, in a likely similar situation, I had no concept of how much of an ignorant dumb fuck I was even after many years on the job until I attended some training and woke the fuck up.

[Headbanger]

Then if have to sit through boring courses, spend double as long at each job going through health and safety shit and get issue less (commission).

I did a site safe course once. If anyone needs to be told the shit they talked about, they deserve to die. It was about as helpful as telling a sparky to not lick a live wire... The sparky shouldn't be dumb enough to do it in the first place.

How much an hour is death worth?

Sure, Its a fucking retarded question.

I see people doing shit that's likely to kill them or ruin their ability to earn a living for $20 bucks an hour. One wrong move and they will never work again, and they were fucked enough to do it for a $20?


Don't get me wrong, I don't know you, Dont give a fuck if you cause your own death through your own stupidity, But the concept of taking a small amount of cash for a large risk just doesn't sit well, More so when some young cunt doesn't know any better, or when the employer is banking coin based on the stupidity of their workers.

[Headbanger]

Best " Site Safe" course I ever did was on London Underground, got to walk over Live tracks, and use fire extinguishers on a real petrol fire., that was about 1991.
The site I manage has loads of fire extinguishers but the policy is get out of the building and don't be a hero.

Similar situation, all our sites, mobile plant and vehicles have extinguishers, we put emergency plans in place for every foreseeable event, we train people as wardens, chief wardens, emergency controllers and in the use of fire extinguishers as per current legislation. We run regular evac drills based on multiple scenarios which we document and analyze so we can improve our response.

Then we tell everyone, fuck that shit, do not put yourself at risk, let the cunt burn and get the fuck out.

[Headbanger]

Pre Use Inspection is included but we cant fill out the 6month logbook anymore to certify the equipment. We need advanced height training additional day. Safety n Action
I likely worded that incorrectly.

That's a good thing, Results are always more legit when undertaken by a third party with no vested interest in keeping the gear in play.

Better off having a procedure in place where the gear is taken offsite to be inspected and tagged by a separate entity, Not only for real world safety but also for covering your arse in the event of a fuck up.

[Headbanger]

I get the shits when the Safety Doris does an audit, she ticks all the boxes on her clip board , she would not have a bloody clue about what is really going on ,

Whose fault is that?

Granted I don't believe in putting someone in place who doesn't understand the job being undertaken or what steps are likely to take place to just get it done, But everyone from the directors, to the company officers, supervisors and the workers have a responsibility to be aware of and work to the systems in place.

If shit is going on behind the safety persons back then the culture is to blame at every level that is aware of it, The problem isn't the safety person.

Unless of course they are useless and or don't give a fuck.

Still, That hasn't held me back.

[Headbanger]

We have a page in the Hazard's folder that is supposed to be filled out for 'near miss', or potential accidents. I mean, where do you draw the line.

The definition of a near miss is an unplanned event that had the potential to cause injury or damage but did not result in injury or damage.

[trustme]

Whose fault is that?

Granted I don't believe in putting someone in place who doesn't understand the job being undertaken or what steps are likely to take place to just get it done, But everyone from the directors, to the company officers, supervisors and the workers have a responsibility to be aware of and work to the systems in place.

If shit is going on behind the safety persons back then the culture is to blame at every level that is aware of it, The problem isn't the safety person.

Unless of course they are useless and or don't give a fuck.

Still, That hasn't held me back.

I shift heavy industrial machinery. people often comment that some of what we do is nuts or ask how the hell did we do that. We have very few accidents because we are careful & quite conservative in the way we rig stuff. The problem comes when the Safety Doris or Denis wants to put their 5 cents worth in when they would have absolutely no idea of how to do the job. We end a up with some generic piece of garbage SWM & a check of tags & compliance . Mostly we prefer to do our own TA's, at least they are relevant .

A few years ago we were to do a swap out of plant at a large factory over a weekend. We got a big lecture from The Doris about working in an unsafe manner & how we must stop if there were uncontrolled hazards. We got there at 4pm on Friday to work all night, [ production was to stop at 2.00pm ] Everything is still running , operators still on the machines , forklifts everywhere, broken glass , water all over the place . They were going to work till 10pm to make up for lost production.

' Cool , we'll go home & come back tomorrow once all the hazards are removed '
' You can't we have to be running Monday morning & that will wreck the whole program '
'But I can't work with all these hazards, do you want me to work in an unsafe environment'
Silence & shuffling of feet ' You wouldn't would you '
' There's one condition , the Safety Doris has the weekend off '

Today I would pull the pin , so I guess attitudes have changed.

[R650R]

Relephant:

I just choked on my toast laughing at that, hilarious !!!

[R650R]

I work in customers roof cavities, alone. I work in very confined spaces (I once had to tape ducting to my leg and pull my body through a 6m cavity because there wasn't enough room for me to lie and have ducting beside me), I have no confined working training at all.

I work on ladders up to 5m high. No working at heights training, no ladder safety videos, nothing. Here's a ladder, lean it against that, climb. Training done.

Although a ladder is a simple tool a fall from 5m is easily fatal. Do you isolate the area where the ladder is so people cant walk into it or hit with mobile plants/machinery/forklifts etc???
I can guarantee there will be dozens if not hundreds of people around the country who will have thought like you in similar roles but are now dead or disabled as a result of unforeseen circumstances. I've done similar work to you in my younger days installing alarm systems, prob thought the same as you back then too. Looking back I was lucky not to have ever fallen or made mistake, only did job for few months before changing to something else.

brief follow up to the crane incident...

http://www.heavyliftnews.com/news/al...ftermath?cu=58

[Headbanger]

I shift heavy industrial machinery. people often comment that some of what we do is nuts or ask how the hell did we do that. We have very few accidents because we are careful & quite conservative in the way we rig stuff. The problem comes when the Safety Doris or Denis wants to put their 5 cents worth in when they would have absolutely no idea of how to do the job. We end a up with some generic piece of garbage SWM & a check of tags & compliance . Mostly we prefer to do our own TA's, at least they are relevant .

A few years ago we were to do a swap out of plant at a large factory over a weekend. We got a big lecture from The Doris about working in an unsafe manner & how we must stop if there were uncontrolled hazards. We got there at 4pm on Friday to work all night, [ production was to stop at 2.00pm ] Everything is still running , operators still on the machines , forklifts everywhere, broken glass , water all over the place . They were going to work till 10pm to make up for lost production.

There is a lot to be said for bringing in the experts and then just getting the hell out of their way.

[trustme]

Exactly. By all means check that the contractor has systems in place but don't try to micromanage the job.