NZTA hypocrites caught demonstrating that speed does not kill

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11496051


LOLOLOL


One of the more disturbing aspects of this is that if you work for these fascists you have a GPS tracker in their car - thats how they got the data they got.

Now they have a good sample set of data: reasonably late model vehicles being driven all over the country by a range of people. They can cross check this with how many accidents they had and actually come up with some data about speed and death.

I absolutely agree that the faster the impact, the more damage there is. What I dont accept is the arbitrary level, and the zealous over enforcement. We have bigger problems with driving in this country than speed: Shit drivers, abysmal training, terrible roads for three.

anyway, made me giggle.

[Swoop]

Well said Sir, and good points for researchers to delve into.

[TheDemonLord]

One of the more disturbing aspects of this is that if you work for these fascists you have a GPS tracker in their car - thats how they got the data they got.

Whilst it is certainly gold - I am too cynical to think it will result in any form of Policy change - but I must disagree on the above:

If it was a GPS tracker in my personnal car, then yes - I would be livid, but GPS in a company car, owned by the company is all okay IMO

[Tazz]

Nothing will happen, they'll just try keep it quieter next time.

It did give me a good laugh too though

[Smifffy]

The 2 biggest dots on the N Island are the same car. Go well, those wee i40's

https://www.carjam.co.nz/buy/?plate=hqp83

[Scuba_Steve]

The faster you go the quicker you get there*


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[mashman]

I see a low cost low administration revenue gathering opportunity. It'll debit your account without argument.

[Tazz]

A lot from areas I know well-ish are unsurprisingly by passing bays or good over taking stretches.

Had a quick squiz up north though and straight away found one area with a bunch of dots from one almost exclusively car over the space of a few months. Twisty as fark too. Good effort

[pritch]

Well said Sir, and good points for researchers to delve into.

Hardly, serious research would likely disprove almost everything they tell us. About the 140kph plus speeds mentioned on TV, I'd guess that most of those were during an overtake. I doubt they are cruising around the country at 140. Well not much?

When I was still gainfully employed there was a trial where all of our vehicles were fitted with GPS. I never heard the result. There would have been some inconclusive results, not because of sabotage, but just because some people should not be allowed anywhere near a motor vehicle. Or a computer, or...

[swbarnett]

Even NZTA don't believe in the arbitrary enforcement of speed limits. It says so right on their web site:

The single biggest road safety issue in New Zealand today is speed - drivers travelling too fast for the conditions.

[Swoop]

Hardly, serious research would likely disprove almost everything they tell us.

It would be an interesting analysis. They have the speeds, distances and gps locations (to compare with the posted limit in that area). Add to that accidents (if any) and things get interesting for where speed limits are not set appropriately.
They might prove that speed doesn't, in fact, kill.

[TheDemonLord]

They might prove that speed doesn't, in fact, kill.

Newtonian physics already states that speed doesn't kill.

Sudden deceleration exceeding 20 G however tends to be rather fatal.

[R650R]

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11496051
I absolutely agree that the faster the impact, the more damage there is. What I dont accept is the arbitrary level, and the zealous over enforcement. We have bigger problems with driving in this country than speed: Shit drivers, abysmal training, terrible roads for three.

So what fair carrot and stick policy to get drivers to drive safely to conditions do you propose that would be effective given the wide spread amount of shit drivers with abysmal training on terrible roads???
Are you going to use your lawyers skills to instigate a Cready style private prosecution of NZTA employees for speeding and also management for failing to act, are you going to conmplain to police?

The simple fact is speed enforcement is the only one size fits all policy that works on the majority of the population. Given that its average joe ma and pa who die in crashes it could well be argued speed enforcement has saved lives.
For the minority of the population that own high speed performance vehicles a speed ticket is a small expense in the overall cost of ownership and infrequent inconvenience given ticket frree km's travelled overall. Its a very small tax on your freedom and if your real clever you can avoid them almost completely.

Just like building regulations we need a baseline level of compliance to stop complete anarchy and craziness creeping in...

In over 20 years of riding, plus truck and car driving I've only had 3 speed tickets, in between those I've had a shitload of fast fun, I think its a pretty good deal the status quo.
As for the NZTA drivers in any organisation you will have x amount that don't comply with the rules, remember most of them are just workers not road safety fundamentalists. Its a govt dept not a church, think gliding on style work ethic, I'm sure Beryl would have crept over 50 in the dept Mini popping out for milk.
Unless you've driven under GPS you wont know how hard it is to drive 100% legal 100% of the time....

[Scuba_Steve]

Newtonian physics already states that speed doesn't kill.

Sudden deceleration exceeding 20 G however tends to be rather fatal.

Too many G's in general can be deadly; NASA proved that one when they spun round astronaut wannabes in the early days

[Scuba_Steve]

So what fair carrot and stick policy to get drivers to drive safely to conditions do you propose that would be effective given the wide spread amount of shit drivers with abysmal training on terrible roads???

The simple fact is speed enforcement is the only one size fits all policy that works on the majority of the population. Given that its average joe ma and pa who die in crashes it could well be argued speed enforcement has saved lives.
For the minority of the population that own high speed performance vehicles a speed ticket is a small expense in the overall cost of ownership and infrequent inconvenience given ticket frree km's travelled overall. Its a very small tax on your freedom and if your real clever you can avoid them almost completely.

Why do you need carrot & stick policy? And how bout we just make it simple, you have to be able to operate a vehicle in order to obtain a licence not too hard is it. Just not a election winner

Simple fact is IT DOESN'T WORK [for safety], never has, never will. It is there now to bring in money, nothing more