Compulsory Stop Signs

[Tazz]

Same ... I stop to avoid a ticket ...

The only way to get caught not stopping is not to look properly. If you roll a stop sign and a cop sees it and gives you a ticket then you have not seen the cop ... if you did not see the cop, what other traffic might you have missed? Those are the ones that will take you out. SMIDSY is not an excuse for a car driver - and neither is it an excuse for any of us ...

Unless they're parked in front of a light truck and are watching you in their wing mirror
Have seen that from time to time (fair few years ago now mind) but mainly an intersection in Chch (Parkhouse Rd-ish onto Main South by the over bridge area). Sneaky sneaky.

[rastuscat]

A mates daughter recently got fined $300 for rolling a stop sign. :

The fine is $150, plus 20 demerits.

What did she do to deserve $300? Or maybe the truth is being stretched to make her appear as a victim.

[Maha]

The fine is $150, plus 20 demerits.

What did she do to deserve $300? Or maybe the truth is being stretched to make her appear as a victim.

I was spotted rolling through a stop sign years ago, was fined $1000 and lost my licence for 6 months, bit harsh.

[Berries]

Before anyone rants about cagers, read the comments above, some providing reasons and explanations why they don't stop at stop signs, pretty sure the people who rear ended (and hurt!) the guy in Wgtn could have come up with similar types of reasons and explanations why they don't or should not be expected to stop at stop signs.

No, they are twats. They have assumed what the vehicle in front was going to do. I listed valid reasons why a stop sign might not be warranted at an intersection, and reasons why I might not bother complying if I can see the way is clear. But I would be a complete arse to expect the vehicle in front to do the same.

[oneofsix]

No, they are twats. They have assumed what the vehicle in front was going to do. I listed valid reasons why a stop sign might not be warranted at an intersection, and reasons why I might not bother complying if I can see the way is clear. But I would be a complete arse to expect the vehicle in front to do the same.

Are you sure "They have assumed what the vehicle in front was going to do", having viewed video of that stop and spoken to someoen who watched the drivers the chances are they never saw "the vehicle in front", they were too busy checking the cross road to see if they could do a "rolling stop", just like they had a thousand times before. BTW; what if the cage driver was a biker who developed the habit due to the above attitudes?

[FJRider]

The fine is $150, plus 20 demerits.

What did she do to deserve $300? Or maybe the truth is being stretched to make her appear as a victim.

No WOF/Rego ... driving outside license conditions ... Vehicle not up to WOF standard ... ????


Any of the above ... or "Other" infringement ... it matters little really. She'll probably stop at stop signs now ...



What is a "Rolling Stop" ... either you're rolling ... or you're stopped.

[FJRider]

I was spotted rolling through a stop sign years ago, was fined $1000 and lost my licence for 6 months, bit harsh.

Look on the bright side ... you didn't hit a biker ...






You didn't ... did you .. ??

[Maha]

Look on the bright side ... you didn't hit a biker ...






You didn't ... did you .. ??

No no noooooooo but the red and blues looked pretty at 1am

[FJRider]

Too many stop signs have been put in for reasons that are not based on visibility - knee jerk responses to a high profile crash, to placate some moaning resident or just because some people are so shit they cannot work out what to do if they are on a give way and the car opposite is on a stop. I know, make them both stop to make it easier and cater for the retards.

A stop sign should only be used if the visibility is below a certain amount. You generally find that the ones where the visibility is not bad are the ones that get poor compliance and thus the ones that get enforced. A vicious circle.

We have a few stop signs (and giveway signs) ... with 500 metre visability in either direction. A more than ONE (accident) has resulted in deaths. Some accidents resulting in multiple deaths.

Cause of death(s) is stupidity .. not lack of visability.

And bikes are handicapped further because at some intersections the visibility may only be a problem if you are in a car, in a truck or on a bike you can see over the obstacle. This is the case where I got my ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign. You can't argue, a stop sign means stop, but the fact many of them are bullshit means people treat them as such.

Those bullshit laws may save a life ... YOUR'S .. !!!

I have said it before on here, the offence should be failing to give way at an intersection - that actually causes crashes. Failing to come to a complete stop has never caused a crash and it never will, it is the failure to give way that does that.

What's the difference in fines for failing to stop ... as opposed to failing to give way .. ??

And if it's only a "Near Miss" ... does that make it OK .. ???

So yes. Or no. Sometimes, if nobody is watching.

You mean ... nobody you can see ... that you think matters ...


Remember .. *555 is still alive and well, even thriving ...

[Berries]

Those bullshit laws may save a life ... YOUR'S .. !!!

You completely miss my point. If the stop sign does not meet the criteria required for a stop sign then compliance will be low because people can see far enough to assess whether someone is coming or not. It is this which then leads to non-compliance at stop signs where you might not be aware that visibility is compromised. A case of crying wolf.

What's the difference in fines for failing to stop ... as opposed to failing to give way .. ??

Don't know, don't care. I know that one of them is very easy to give tickets for while the other one results in crashes.

[FJRider]

You completely miss my point. If the stop sign does not meet the criteria required for a stop sign then compliance will be low because people can see far enough to assess whether someone is coming or not. It is this which then leads to non-compliance at stop signs where you might not be aware that visibility is compromised. A case of crying wolf.


Don't know, don't care. I know that one of them is very easy to give tickets for while the other one results in crashes.

The point is ... the criteria required for Stop signs is ... you are required by ledglislation to come to a complete stop.


Non complience can lead to death.

YOU may be killed by someone who did NOT stop at a stop sign. AND ... there will be nothing you can do to stop that.

[rastuscat]

I didn't stop at a stop sign once. I got fined a million dollars and 4 hundred gazillion demerits.

There. It's on KB. It must be true.

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[Swoop]

Yes. I stop for stop SIGNS.

I always have a time credit owing, since I never stop for those motorway onramp stop light/traffic light bullshit thingys.

[Berries]

The point is ... the criteria required for Stop signs is ... you are required by ledglislation to come to a complete stop.


Non complience can lead to death.

YOU may be killed by someone who did NOT stop at a stop sign. AND ... there will be nothing you can do to stop that.

I am just as likely to be hit by someone who stopped at a stop sign as someone who rolled through it, or someone who has stopped at a give way sign. It is the failing to give way bit that will kill you and that is totally unrelated to whether or not the wheels came to a complete stop.

[caspernz]

The STOP sign question can be replaced with any number of simple everyday traffic rules.

How many folks don't know how to indicate at a roundabout for example? The number of dipshits who indicate right going onto the roundabout then left as they leave it, while going straight in effect...

Road works is another, do you slow down to the posted limit? Funnily enough, in the truck I will sometimes get a hurry up over the CB from a ten gallon hat wearer, and then slow down another 5 or 10

What about approaching a township from the open road? Do you slow down to the posted limit at the sign or before the sign? Here's a kicker for you, in our trucks we're recorded non-stop by GPS. Enter that 50 zone at 51 and it records a speeding event. Oh well, it grinds me but in the end I get paid by the hour

So when I'm out on the bike I enjoy the freedom a bit more