Migration crisis in Europe - where is it headed?

[MD]

I must be getting heartless as I get older but I am struggling to see why Europe feels it has to allow hundreds of thousands of people from other countries/continent to wander in and take up residence because their home country is horrible and expect to be sustained by the host. Don't get me wrong, life must be terrifying and miserable in places like Syria and ..well lets just say most of the middle east and north Africa and it's human nature to try and save your life and family and flee.

BUT. Does that give them the right to transfer their problems on to a neighbour? And that's what will eventually happen. Quality of life in Europe will suffer from the burden. I feel we are seeing a knee-jerk reaction to the media shock-horror stories to allow the first million in now, without considering where this ends and what about the next million who will be encouraged to follow, and so on. These migrants will struggle to find work, already short in some parts of EU. These migrants will not be able to sustain themselves so the host country is going to find itself paying to feed, cloth, house, educate and give health care to people already probably not the healthiest. BUT wait there's more. You don't have to support the first million. You are taking on that generation and then you have to support their 6 to 8 kids on average they have, so assume 1m becomes 6m in 20 years, which becomes 36m 20 years later. Then you have the fact that most are Muslims who will in time expect the host to bend to their unreasonable practices. We could discuss this aspect alone for years on here. There is no test of the character of the people coming in. Many could be scum bag semi retired anti-the west terrorists, murderers whatever.
I just worry that EU is opening a Pandora's box it will never be able to close or fix. Sadly, the problems at home must be fixed so these people can return to their homelands. UK PM Cameron said it the other night on the News, "I don't think there is an answer to this problem"

The current approach seems to be, lets leave the front door open and see what comes in and hope it's all good. I doubt it will be.

[jasonu]

I must be getting heartless as I get older but I am struggling to see why Europe feels it has to allow hundreds of thousands of people from other countries/continent to wander in and take up residence because their home country is horrible and expect to be sustained by the host. Don't get me wrong, life must be terrifying and miserable in places like Syria and ..well lets just say most of the middle east and north Africa and it's human nature to try and save your life and family and flee.

BUT. Does that give them the right to transfer their problems on to a neighbour? And that's what will eventually happen. Quality of life in Europe will suffer from the burden. I feel we are seeing a knee-jerk reaction to the media shock-horror stories to allow the first million in now, without considering where this ends and what about the next million who will be encouraged to follow, and so on. These migrants will struggle to find work, already short in some parts of EU. These migrants will not be able to sustain themselves so the host country is going to find itself paying to feed, cloth, house, educate and give health care to people already probably not the healthiest. BUT wait there's more. You don't have to support the first million. You are taking on that generation and then you have to support their 6 to 8 kids on average they have, so assume 1m becomes 6m in 20 years, which becomes 36m 20 years later. Then you have the fact that most are Muslims who will in time expect the host to bend to their unreasonable practices. We could discuss this aspect alone for years on here. There is no test of the character of the people coming in. Many could be scum bag semi retired anti-the west terrorists, murderers whatever.
I just worry that EU is opening a Pandora's box it will never be able to close or fix. Sadly, the problems at home must be fixed so these people can return to their homelands. UK PM Cameron said it the other night on the News, "I don't think there is an answer to this problem"

The current approach seems to be, lets leave the front door open and see what comes in and hope it's all good. I doubt it will be.

I am a bit confused by the whole thing. The reports I see on TV are that Hungary are preventing the riffos that are already in their country from getting on trains to Germany. I would have thought Hungary would be encouraging them to piss off to somewhere else.
Now I see on tonights news boat loads of them heading for Greece, a country that is barely able to feed its own.
Don't worry though, NZ will offer to host shit loads of them to add to the countries 'cultural diversity'...

[awa355]

+1. I agree entirely. Already they are fighting with the authorities demanding the right to go virtually where ever they want. I can understand they want something better, but as a BBC article points out, why aren't the neighbouring Muslem countries taking them?.

Counties like Kuwait, Saudi, Qatar and the UAE are closing their doors to these syrian refugee's? or illegal migrants?.

[george formby]

Pertinent article in the Independent today. Robert Fisk asks why the refugees don't try to get to the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates etc. It's a rhetorical question.

I'm trying to avoid thinking about it to much. Dreading to hear about the first migrant boat packed with explosives going off, the first lethal riot, an epidemic breaking out.

See what I mean? To scary to contemplate.

No doubt climate and war will cause famine leading to migration for many more millions in the next few years.

IIRC, a few years ago, a Mullah in Europe, Holland I think, said that we cannot beat the West with bullets and bombs but we can crush you with the numbers of our people. Or words to that effect.

It's not a good time to brush up on history, scary.

[oldrider]

All of this is a result of American / Israeli / Saudi Arabian foreign policies and actions - let all those poor people go where the problem originated from!

Plenty of room on the Bush family lawn? - they certainly appear to be keeping a discretely low profile while all this reaction is raging.

[Voltaire]

How does Mr Assad fund a Civil War with what must be a totally broken economy? and ok, ISIS must be selling a bit of oil and the loot they are destroying but running wars are not cheap?

I suppose the answer is a combination of USA,Russia,Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel.....

[scrivy]

How does Mr Assad fund a Civil War with what must be a totally broken economy? and ok, ISIS must be selling a bit of oil and the loot they are destroying but running wars are not cheap?

I suppose the answer is a combination of USA,Russia,Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel.....

Oh, oh, I know...... maybe it's Belgium....?????!!!!

Afterall, they've brought billions of US treasury bonds.........

They've obviously got money for Africa........

[Fastmark]

All of this is a result of American / Israeli / Saudi Arabian foreign policies and actions - let all those poor people go where the problem originated from!

Plenty of room on the Bush family lawn? - they certainly appear to be keeping a discretely low profile while all this reaction is raging.

Bang on. The USA's Allies (read prostitutes, UK/France etc.) are facing the tide of human misery brought about partially by the medaling of the USA. The fact its a bit of a boat ride to get there from the likes of Syria is the only reason the states is not facing the same issue.

Base the number of refugees a country has to take based on the level of their involvement in the various wars.....guess who would have to take the most

[Akzle]

BUT. Does that give them the right to transfer their problems on to a neighbour?

are you not your brother's keeper?

what a cunt. gtfo my planet.

Quality of life in Europe will suffer from the burden.... These migrants will not be able to sustain themselves so the host country is going to find itself paying to feed, cloth, house, educate and give health care

spot the limiting factor... (hint starts with jews, ends up with global enslavement mechanism)

Then you have the fact that most are Muslims who will in time expect the host to bend to their unreasonable practices.

ahh yes. that fact....
//wait, where is that fact again?

There is no test of the character of the people coming in. Many could be scum bag semi retired anti-the west terrorists, murderers whatever.

and they're different from the home grown semi retired scum bag retirees, or murderers and errorists, quite how?

...because if there's ever two groups of people i lump together it's retirees and terrorists.

(asides, if you want a FACT, NZ does actually have a character requirement (something to the effect of "stop being such a sand nigger and buy a kebab shop"))

I just worry that EU is opening a Pandora's box it will never be able to close or fix. Sadly, the problems at home must be fixed so these people can return to their homelands. UK PM Cameron said it the other night on the News, "I don't think there is an answer to this problem"

a bitee shame they didn't think about that before spending FUCKING BILLIONS BOMBING THE PRICKS OUT OF THEIR FUCKEN COUNTRY, THEN

...innit?

+1. I agree entirely. Already they are fighting with the authorities demanding the right to go virtually where ever they want. I can understand they want something better, but as a BBC article points out, why aren't the neighbouring Muslem countries taking them?.

possibly something called "polical assylum" where, they're not happy with the dictatorship the west installed in their home country...

and once they have political assylum, they CAN go anywhere they want... in the EU. one of the benefits of EU membership.

All of this is a result of American / Israeli / Saudi Arabian foreign policies and actions - let all those poor people go where the problem originated from!

Plenty of room on the Bush family lawn? - they certainly appear to be keeping a discretely low profile while all this reaction is raging.

fucken aye.

here's a fucken idea whitey, why not sign a treaty with them, then give away all the land...

shoe... foot.

((plagarised from the news reader on radio live. tu meke, bitch!))

[Swoop]

Who are the intelligent people in the process? The people smugglers.

Why?
They buy, steal, capture, go to Somalia nd get for free, any form of boat.
Load it up with people who will not fight for their own country and charge them $$$'s to go to Europe.
- At this point they get even smarter.
Only take them a quarter of the way to WopLand and then leave them to their own devices.
WopLand "rescues" the passengers.
- Italy fucks up here.
Instead of returning the people to Libya (point of embarkation) they then take them to ...?

The people smugglers started by using a lot of fuel to almost get into WopLand, but are now saving on the cost of overheads.


As we all know, the ONLY danger in all of this is the fact that NOT ONE of the boats are fitted with Hi-Viz vests'.

[MD]

are you not your brother's keeper?

what a . gtfo my planet.



spot the limiting factor... (hint starts with jews, ends up with global enslavement mechanism)



ahh yes. that fact....
//wait, where is that fact again?

I've never meet your brother. Anyway, why can't your brother get a hair cut and a job like your big brother Bob?

Facts? You haven't noticed lots of news stories over the last few years about Muslims fighting their generous host Govts for their rights to wear burqas, treat women lower than dogs, stop traffic outside their mosques for prayer sessions and the like?

[neels]

Judging by the lack of recent news reports, the Australians appear to have solved the problem they were having with boat people to a degree, shipping them to an 'immigration centre' on a shithole island that regularly runs out of everything, thereby removing the perception that there is a better life to be had by attempting to get to Australia.

There must be a spare bit of Russia that's not being used for anything in particular.....

Yes it would cost money, but probably no more than the current goings on, and if they really do fear for the lives of them and their families it would surely still be a better option than staying where they are?

[TheDemonLord]

I have several opinions on this issue:

When our fellow humans are in need - is it not our duty to help?
But also is it not the duty of our fellow humans to fix the mess that (and lets be honest here) they created/let grow?
One thing that I do agree with is why move to the west, when there are plenty of countries that are much more aligned in terms of Religon, Culture, Language etc. - Is it because those countries refuse to let them in or would defend their borders using force whereas the west won't? or is it because the refugees want to 'trade-up' as it were.
An article I saw on a news report did also make me think - it showed in Greece that the migrants were being asked by the Police to pick up rubbish, those that refused were in prison - it seems to me that if you were genuinely fleeing for your life and were seeking safe haven in another country, and all that was asked of you was to pick up some litter - it would be the least bit of gratitude you could show. This leads onto the next thought that perhaps some are using this as a smokescreen to emigrate to the West.

Final thought - and this is based around the image of the Drowned boy - in the west we have become rather scared of Death - and I ask this: Would you rather see a Dead Boy drowned by trying to escape or a Dead Boy killed by Shrapnel by trying to help?

There is a quote concerning one of the British Raids on a German prison (in WW2) that has always resonated with me:

It was said the Resistance fighters would rather die from British bombs than German bullets.

That it is better to do something (even if it means negative consequences) than to be idle, and let others dirty their hands.

[Akzle]

I've never meet your brother. Anyway, why can't your brother get a hair cut and a job like your big brother Bob?

YOUR brother-man.

Apparently... There aren't enough jobs to go around

or, y'know, they need unemployed people to balance the books... But you know, a good reason either way.

Facts? You haven't noticed lots of news stories over the last few years about Muslims fighting their generous host Govts for their rights to wear burqas, treat women lower than dogs, stop traffic outside their mosques for prayer sessions and the like?

no. I dont pay much attention to the news on account of the overwhelming amount of horseshit.

But i do know a stack of moslems.

And women should never have been given the 'right' to vote.

[oldrider]

Judging by the lack of recent news reports, the Australians appear to have solved the problem they were having with boat people to a degree, shipping them to an 'immigration centre' on a shithole island that regularly runs out of everything, thereby removing the perception that there is a better life to be had by attempting to get to Australia.

There must be a spare bit of Russia that's not being used for anything in particular.....

Yes it would cost money, but probably no more than the current goings on, and if they really do fear for the lives of them and their families it would surely still be a better option than staying where they are?

America is currently busy trying to start a war with Russia as you speak - not much use sending them there - they will be coming back with interest soon!