Texting and driving

[TheDemonLord]

of course that should banned

I'm so glad I hovered over that link before deciding not to click on it.

[swbarnett]

The sub concious doesn't driver bugger all. Jeez if we all went with that theory we'd all be dead.

And yet without it most of what we do would be impossible. The conscious mind is just too slow.

You should study the figures from these trials. The one i read and watched (on tele) was across the board from all walks of life, Lewis Hamilton was included and not one wasn't distracted by the phone to the point of actual impairment. So if you think your better than him you should be driving F1

Being good at F1 doesn't mean you're a good driver. Just that you can control a car.

[swbarnett]

I see where you're coming from but it is still another layer for your mind to cut through 'when/if' it is needed quickly.

It's not so much that your conscious mind kicks in when needed. More that the sub-conscious mind does what's needed before you're aware of it.

[Tazz]

It's not so much that your conscious mind kicks in when needed. More that the sub-conscious mind does what's needed before you're aware of it.

Like I linked earlier, it's also your subconscious that plays tricks and fills in parts of what is happening around you with what it assumes should be happening there, not necessarily what is, so really you just hope that it kicks in correctly when and if it does.

At the end of the day driver training would lessen the risk more so than a ticket.

[swbarnett]

Like I linked earlier, it's also your subconscious that plays tricks and fills in parts of what is happening around you with what it assumes should be happening there, not necessarily what is, so really you just hope that it kicks in correctly when and if it does.

At the end of the day driver training would lessen the risk more so than a ticket.

Totally agree. The subconscious becomes more useful the more skilled (i.e. more training and experience) the driver becomes. It's of little use to the complete novice.

[FJRider]

Totally agree. The subconscious becomes more useful the more skilled (i.e. more training and experience) the driver becomes. It's of little use to the complete novice.

And what % of the "Driving" population would you say being sufficiently "Skilled" ... ??? 10 % .. 15 % ... 20 % .. ???


In NZ ... the Legislation and policy seems to be based on the lowest common denominator (read idiot) driving on the roads ...


Perhaps instead of fines ... compulsory driver training courses (ACC funded) might have a better (end) result .. ???

[swbarnett]

And what % of the "Driving" population would you say being sufficiently "Skilled" ... ??? 10 % .. 15 % ... 20 % .. ???

Actual percentage I have no idea. However, all drivers will drive to some extent in the sub-conscious. It's just a matter of degree.

In NZ ... the Legislation and policy seems to be based on the lowest common denominator (read idiot) driving on the roads ...


Perhaps instead of fines ... compulsory driver training courses (ACC funded) might have a better (end) result .. ???

Agreed. This is where the rule of law falls down miserably. It has absolutely no way to enforce a code of behaviour that allows those with the skills to do something that those without them should not be allowed to.

[Stylo]

Nearly got side-lined by some wanker coming straight for me today with his phone on top of the steering wheel, obviously multi-tasking.

I sounded my twin horns and he nearly shit himself then moved back onto his side of the road.

These phone texter's are worse than the bloody cyclists doing the three abreast thing, they're in another world oblivious to what's going on ...

[Grubber]

Like I linked earlier, it's also your subconscious that plays tricks and fills in parts of what is happening around you with what it assumes should be happening there, not necessarily what is, so really you just hope that it kicks in correctly when and if it does.

At the end of the day driver training would lessen the risk more so than a ticket.

Mr StopWinning Barnet may have missed the meaning behind this one.

[Gremlin]

Had a pearler this evening... no texting or distracting (well, I fucken hope not).

From Whatawhata to Ngaruawahia an SUV felt that staying within their lane was simply a suggestion. Fully (as in left wheels over the centre line) in the oncoming lane when entering left handers, cutting right handers, had to get back on their side of the road for one oncoming car. Generally all over the road. I didn't speed, stayed within my lane and stayed behind them (no fucken way was I thinking about passing).

Unfortunately the Sena had run out of puff hours previously, so I reported at Ngaruawahia...

Actually, it's the fucken Waikato. I was on a back road earlier in the arvo, and an oncoming car simply took half my lane (when I'm there) probably coz it was a bit tight and they'd have to slow down to stay in their lane... argh

[eldog]

seen all of this type of stuff, and its getting worse - all too often lately.

I use a handsfree only when i know its a short message/call.
I txt/call before or after I travel. If an incoming call is someone important I find a safe place to pull over or just ignore it till I get were I am going.

txting seems to affect people far worse than talking on the phone.
its a reflection of todays 'instant fulfillment society'

[eldog]

And what % of the "Driving" population would you say being sufficiently "Skilled" ... ??? 10 % .. 15 % ... 20 % .. ???


In NZ ... the Legislation and policy seems to be based on the lowest common denominator (read idiot) driving on the roads ...


Perhaps instead of fines ... compulsory driver training courses (ACC funded) might have a better (end) result .. ???

less than 10 % more like less than 5%, say 2%

NZ policy it to 'protect' everyone from themselves - some (most) turn into idiots on the road, and they become invincible and it wont happen to me syndrome.

fines vs training, most people will never learn, no matter what, its their 'right' to drive/text etc.
i have made mistakes in the past, usually my conscious berates/punishes me so i dont do it twice.

i ride very conservatory most of the time, and assume other users and the road are out to get me, saved me a few times lately. but i noticed that further away from the big smokes the drivers are generally more laid back, forgiving and appreciate when a slower road user pulls over to let them pass.

[JMemonic]

They're failing at basic stuff. Inattentive, poor following distance, not looking far enough ahead and surveying the environment (like a car next to me today speeding up, almost passing me, while failing to see their lane was completely stopped less than 100m ahead... so on hard with the brakes.

Then there is the Auckland classic... lane diving - and here's why you shouldn't:

Hate to say it but that ain't just Auckland, that trick is through out NZ

[Swoop]

Perhaps that's half the problem with many drivers... they "glance" rather than "look for and see"...

A "glance" will still see nothing, IF the person does not "observe".
Timespan is immaterial.

[Berries]

A "glance" will still see nothing, IF the person does not "observe".
Timespan is immaterial.

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