Turkey is in NATO, NATO serves US interests.Originally Posted by TheDemonLord
If Turkey is in cahoots with ISIS then so is NATO.
Also if the FSA is not fighting ISIS then they are ISIS.
Scooter boy
Turkey is in NATO, NATO serves US interests.
If Turkey is in cahoots with ISIS then so is NATO.
Also if the FSA is not fighting ISIS then they are ISIS.
simple question, why did the Soviets modify a air-raid shelter into a gas chamber? what was their intention?
Scooter boy
You can't make this shit up!
US MSM fucks up, uses video of Russia bombing ISIS oil trucks and says it's the US haha
simple question, why did the Soviets modify a air-raid shelter into a gas chamber? what was their intention?
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Lol - you must have posted just before I did....I think you will find I have already done that above!
Guess what?
The conspiracy theorist in me "suspects" they "could well have been" (way way back out of reach) behind the bomb on the Russian jet! (Cui bono?)- Why not?
I still don't think the US is involved here - I think this is more about Turkey throwing some weight around and establishing it as a big Dog and not afraid to mix it up with the bigger nations.
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Lets just tuck that one away in the memory banks and keep an eye out for it's emergence at some later date - it's funny what just pops up down the line!
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Actually - A faint memory pops into my head - wasn't Turkey beaten by NZ to become a member of the UN Security Council?
(checks on Wiki) - Yup.
This adds further to my suspicion that this is about Turkey showing Dominance in the region (and to the world powers) than anything else.
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Forum whore
US sells them arms and has threatened that supply in the past unless Turkey conformed and toed the line where they were told to. There is heavily vested interest and influence in what Turkey does with said arms.
Obama has said he doesn't want troops on the ground in 'foreign' conflicts so are now getting other countries to do their dirty work, which they've always done anyway.
Then there is the NATO factor.
Not saying it's 100% happening, but the US leans on everyone when it comes to Russia. It's naive to not take that into consideration.
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No, Turkey is standing up for it's sovereign rights. A declared secular state but with a large moslem population who are quite vocal...
It is a two-pronged message.
1: Don't over-fly our airspace. Period.
2: This isn't about an airspace issue, but a political message.
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Scooter boy
How to roast a Turkey.
step 1- deploy your S400.
Turkey's air space is now Russia's air space.
simple question, why did the Soviets modify a air-raid shelter into a gas chamber? what was their intention?
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Like I said - early days yet - Turkey has challenged and Russia has responded - it will be interesting watching the next moves unfold!
Edit: Putin doesn't look or sound like a man hell bent upon provoking war here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FppvJIkftrI
Edit: This too is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VStsORCFiAk
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Russia Destroys The Greater Israel Dream - by Taxi https://platosguns.com/2015/10/19/ru...-israel-dream/
Eating the Middle East Arab elephant one bight (Arab State) at a time - has it been reduced to mere nibbles by Russian intervention on behalf of Assad?
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Turkish shooting down Russian SU-24 jet no accident according to FU-16 designer and US defence analyst: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/2015...4-downing.html
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Putin speaks at ten year anniversary of RT channel news
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High cost of Erdogan folly - for Turkish people: http://sputniknews.com/europe/201512...124003/--.html apparently!
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27 March, 2016: Despite the recent Russian announcement that it is withdrawing troops from Syria Russian warplanes are still supporting Syrian government forces advancing in the northwest around Homs, Palmyra and Aleppo. Russia has made it clear that it is only withdrawing some of its air power and military personnel. The departing forces can be returned quickly if needed.
Russia will maintain control of port facilities on the Syrian coast and nearby airbases. The withdrawal announcement is believed to be a Russian effort to get the Assad government to go along with whatever peace deal can be arrived at in the upcoming UN sponsored peace talks.
This might include a partition of Syria (which the Assads oppose) into a Kurdish state in the northeast (which Turkey opposes), an Assad (non-Kurds, non-Sunni) state in the west from Damascus north to Aleppo and west to the coast) and a Sunni state (the rest, which is most of the territory and population of Syria.) The Sunni state would be stuck with most of the Islamic terrorists, which have been largely kept out of the Kurdish and non-Sunni territory. Everyone would apparently cooperate to crush the most troublesome Islamic terrorists. These would mainly be al Qaeda and ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) affiliated groups. Partition is currently seen as the least bad option.
In the last week Syrian troops retook Palmyra, which ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) grabbed in May 2015. Palmyra was a major ISIL victory but since the beginning of 2016 Russian air and ground forces have worked with Syrian troops to methodically fight their way back to Palmyra and surrounding Deir Ezzor province in general. ISIL had, at the end of 2015, controlled most of Deir Ezzor province, including Palmyra, which is astride the main road from Deir Ezzor to Damascus (the national capital and Assad stronghold). Supporting government forces in Deir Ezzor became more difficult with the loss of Palmyra in mid-2015. Syrian troops apparently now intend to advance on the ISIL capital of Raqqa (227 kilometres to the northeast).
The Russians made a difference not just with air strikes but with thousands of special operations troops and military trainers for combat or support troops. There were also hundreds of technical experts to assist the Syrians in refurbishing elderly (or just overworked) weapons and military equipment. Now weapons and gear also arrived and the Syrian troops had to be quickly taught how to use all this stuff. By January 2016 the impact of all this effort was visible to people on the ground (and Western photo satellites).
The Syrian troops were using new Russian artillery as well as more of their own stuff because the Russians had shipped in lots of ammo and spare parts. Russian UAVs were providing target information and the Syrian infantry seemed more precise and confident as they called in supporting artillery and air support before advancing. All this has made it much harder for the rebels to defeat the Assad government and much easier to accept a peace deal that keeps the Assads in power. This is apparently the Russian goal.
Since early October, largely because of Russian air support, government forces have advanced in the northwest around Homs and Aleppo as well Palmyra and in the south near the Israeli border. As always, the government forces are willing to negotiate terms with rebels to gain control of a city or town in order to minimize damage to the place and avoid casualties. Government forces have also cleared most rebel forces that had been advancing into Latakia province, which is where the Syrian ports are. Most of the Russian aid comes in through these ports. Down south near the Israeli border the Syrian Air Force owns the air.
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