L-Plate Rider
I have always wondered how those bikes are for wheelies... considering the power delivery of that cross-plane engine (and additional weight penalty)... Love the sound they make though, especially if they have some open pipes like a set of Akro's. From reading up, these yamahas really come alive once you start slapping a full system on, and flash the ECU.Originally Posted by Drew
I still rate the GSXR as the mother of all badboy bikes when it comes to backwheel antics
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Bugger that. The bike shouldn't need any more than a few seconds after start-up before you ride away. I find the idea 'let it sit there running needlessly to extend engine life' to be rather counterproductive.
Be it for a bike with 5kms or 50,000.
Other than that, find a hilly, windy road a short distance from you. A loop course would be ideal. Ride 'normally' there while the bike warms up. Ride up the hill, giving the bike some decent load in a variety of RPMS, then ride down, making sure to use as much engine braking as you can, at a variety of RPMs. Rinse and repeat.
Or take it to the track.
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L-Plate Rider
No-one is saying let it idle for hours before riding off... Not sure where you gained that idea from.
Its well documented on many sites + books + owners manuals that its highly recommended to warm up your engine to operating temperature levels first, to also allow your oil to reach all moving parts of the engine before riding off. On a new tight motorcycle engine, I would even emphasize the importance more. Most motorcycles will only take a min or two to get out of the "cold" operating zone...
I agree with you on the engine braking comment...
Like I mentioned, this discussion will always have two camps...
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Personally I've always been in favour of off the throttle which favours two strokes, haven't tried to seriously wheelie a thou, . . . Well not a four. Triples and twins still throttle up.
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Hardcore Biker
from the owner of a r1, its got a cold engine map till it warms up and then once it it hits about 50degrees it changes maps
and certainly a change of tone and idle..
soap tests prove better engine life if warmed up and also warmed down ( ie turbo timers on the big motors )
Forum whore
on a new motor I don't let it idle on warm-up for long. How long does it take to get your jacket, helmet and gloves on - couple mins? Then just ride gently until it is up to temp (most importantly get some heat in the tyres too). Best way to get a even warm-up heat throughout the engine not the more isolated heat build-up of long static idle.
Ta
I learned to wheelie on a Gixxer thou. But the new Superduke makes them seem flacid I'm told.I still rate the GSXR as the mother of all badboy bikes when it comes to backwheel antics
Hardcore Biker
I learnt on a TLS great for wheelies
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I once accidentally lifted the front of my 'Busa - it was probably only a couple of inches off the ground - but I still felt cool (after I finished shatting myself as the steering went light...)
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L-Plate Rider
Have been on a few cross plane r1's and enjoyed every second, hence buying one. Great for wheelies, no clutch no throttle chopping just roll on and keep her there through the gears, they're rather smooth after exhaust and flash and a hell of a lot of funI have always wondered how those bikes are for wheelies... considering the power delivery of that cross-plane engine (and additional weight penalty)... Love the sound they make though, especially if they have some open pipes like a set of Akro's. From reading up, these yamahas really come alive once you start slapping a full system on, and flash the ECU.
I still rate the GSXR as the mother of all badboy bikes when it comes to backwheel antics
Ta
We might be talking about different kinds of wheelies. Hoist, balance, trundle along in the one cog at a constant speed. That's what you wanna aim for. 190ks on the back wheel feels cool, but it's not advised.Have been on a few cross plane r1's and enjoyed every second, hence buying one. Great for wheelies, no clutch no throttle chopping just roll on and keep her there through the gears, they're rather smooth after exhaust and flash and a hell of a lot of fun
L-Plate Rider
They're a bit choppy for that stock from my experience, or it could be what I was used to at the time that made the difference (gsxr1000), but after the exhaust and flash yes they're good for holding up in the same gear at a constant too. Couldn't agree more on the cool but not advised part though, one of those do not try this at home kind of things.
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The coatings they use are incredibly thin and tough as shit. Poor oil won't fuck em.
Forum whore
Bang on. The high quality oil they come with, does not let the Ring itself bed in as well as it could, hence I always used running in oil, 3 lots at 500 km max per change. All I ever did with new motors was 3 Full heat cycles NEVER letting the bike idle, always open and closing throttle till fan kicks in, then shut her down for a couple of hours to 100% cool down, then repeat till done 3 times. After that it was to just shy of red line in every gear for the 3 running in oil changes, I just did them on the side of the road, having a back pack on with 2 tubs of oil and 2 x oil filters and tools. Taranaki to Taupo to Ratahi to wanganui and back to New Plymouth, best roads in the country for running a bike in and riding in general for run
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