Short & sweet summary of the hypocrisy of Syrian situation

[Voltaire]

Anyone else notice how quiet it's gone media wise etc on the Syrian (read Iran etc) situation lately? - Is this the lull before the storm? - Are the orchestrators hatching a new diabolical plan? .

They have been busy fawning over the Royal Wedding, wasn't her dress lovely

I don't think 'they' want to bother us too much with real news.

[Viking01]

Anyone else notice how quiet it's gone media wise etc on the Syrian (read Iran etc) situation lately? - Is this the lull before the storm? - Are the orchestrators hatching a new diabolical plan? .

http://theantimedia.com/israel-war-lebanon/

[oldrider]

http://theantimedia.com/israel-war-lebanon/

That link has quite a lot of probability attached to it - the three musketeer's Netanyahu, Putin and Trump appear to be a close knit group that only orchestrate activities and results to suit Israeli needs.

Where old world Monarchs used to build moats around their castles - Israel has constructed a ring of destroyed countries (work in progress) to shield her from any possible military aggression.

Gaza has been set up as the standard that they require and all of the damaged neighbours look like duplicate images - smashed to pieces and no threat to anyone let alone Israel. - Lebanon? - watch that space!

[oldrider]

Israel's (ISIS) proxy war on Middle East neighbours still just chuggin along unconstrained as ever? - https://twitter.com/AWAKEALERT/statu...rymakow.com%2F

[oldrider]

Interesting interview on Syria situation right from the horses mouth. - so to speak.

[husaberg]

Russia Today
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/04/0...mage-campaign/

[oldrider]

Syrian FM says US troops must leave country:- https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/0...leave-country/ . US says We go where we want - we are the real terrorists!

[Swoop]

5 June 2018:
Germany openly called for Iran to withdraw its forces from Syria.
This rare criticism of Iran was caused by Israel pointing out that the presence of Iranian forces in Syria is a major cause of Syrians fleeing their country and heading for Germany where it is easy to get asylum. It is generally accepted (and Syria even admits it) that Iran does have thousands of trainers, advisors, technicians and other support specialists to make the Syrian Army and their Iranian allies (mainly Shia mercenaries recruited by Iran and controlled by Iranian trainers and advisers) a formidable force.

The chatter from Iran (Internet postings or street talk) confirms that and the number of these Iranians killed. Most of the dead belong to the Quds Force (similar to the U.S. Special Forces, but which specializes in supporting Islamic terrorists not fighting them). Over a hundred IRGC officers have been killed in Syria and Iraq since 2012. But a growing number of non-Quds personnel are dying as Israel attacks Iranian bases in Syria. Quds supervised the creation of the huge (over 50,000) mercenary force in Syria. Quds recruits these foreign Shia (mainly Afghans and Lebanese), trains, arms, equips, supplies and pays them (including death benefits) and usually has Quds (or IRGC) officers leading the mercenary units. Iranian advisers are also embedded with most Syrian Army units.

These Quds, IRGC (Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps) and Iranian army personnel have rotated in and out of Syria since 2012 and when they get home they talk about their experiences and that (usually via friends or relations) gets posted on social media or emailed to friends and relations overseas (usually via encrypted apps like Telegram). All this is great for intel agencies and journalists with contacts in the overseas Iranian community and a knowledge of Farsi (the major Iranian language). As a result, we know that morale in the Syrian army is really bad because the troops are recruited from the minority (no more than 15 percent of the pre-war population) that supports Assad (usually because they are not Sunni Arabs, who comprised 75 percent of Syrians in 2012). These Syrians often go to great lengths to avoid getting conscripted and if they do end up in uniform few are eager to see combat. Thus the Iranian mercenaries are the key to whatever combat capabilities the Assad forces have. This is why the Assads also want Iran to withdraw its forces once all the rebel forces are destroyed, disarmed or otherwise neutralized. Otherwise, the Iranian led mercenaries will be the real power in Syria.
Until there is peace in Syria more Syrians will flee and those that can afford it will head for Germany, which is one of the few European nations accepting Syrian refugees.


Russia has made it clear that it sides with Israel when it comes to Syria and a long-term peace deal.
Russia backed this up by openly accepting Israeli use of Jerusalem as their capital and moving functions normally held in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. This angers many Moslems, and especially Iran. This support for Israel is one of the few things the United States and Russia agree on these days.

But the alliance with Russia is unwritten; yet it is real as Israel has not attacked any Russian targets with its growing air offensive against Iranian forces. During May the Russian president met separately with the Israeli and Syrian leaders and apparently worked out terms of a peace deal that Israel and the Assads can live with. Turkey is willing to follow as long as Turkish border security measures (a security zone on the Syrian side of the border patrolled by Turk supported Syrian militias) are left alone. In the northeast, the Syrian Kurds could have their autonomy as long as they kept the peace. Basically, the Russian proposal is that “all foreign troops” leave Syria. That will include the Americans but not those that now have treaty rights (Russia has an airbase and part of a port).
The Americans have no interest in a permanent presence they just want to deal with some Islamic terrorists and then leave. Israel insists that Iran has no treaty rights and should get out completely, along with their local affiliate Hezbollah. Russia has specifically called on Iran get its foreign mercenaries (including Hezbollah) out of Daraa province, which borders Israel. The Russians did this by referring to all “foreign forces” in Daraa and those are all Iranian. Russia knows that Iran has already made a big deal about being near the border and attacking Israel. But so far attempts to attack have only resulted in heavier Iranian losses from Israeli air and missile attacks.

To achieve such a deal the remaining rebel groups have to be destroyed. These holdouts are mainly Islamic terrorist groups aligned with al Qaeda or ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant). The Kurds and Americans, with some help from Iraqi forces, are going after the remaining ISIL personnel in eastern and northeastern Syria. The Assads, with the help of Iranian mercenaries and Hezbollah, are clearing areas along the northern and southern borders of remaining rebels. The only problem with this plan is that Iran refuses to leave and keeps repeating that refusal in its mass media. The Russians are unwilling to completely abandon their Iranian ally but at the same time, they do not want Iran dominating Syria like it does Lebanon (via Hezbollah). Meanwhile, Russia does not use its aircraft or air defense missile systems to interfere with Israel trying their best to destroy all Iranian bases in Syria. This Russian policy, while not perfect, is having a noticeable impact on Iran.

Despite the deal with Russia Syria still has a lot of second-rate (compared to the S-300 and S-400 systems Russia has in Syria) anti-aircraft weapons as does Iran. This is a real threat to Israel which is keen to avoid any aircraft losses. To assist with that Israel has already developed longer range guided rockets (like the American GMLRS). They have a 150 kilometres range rocket similar to GMLRS and a larger (1.8 ton) Dora missile with a range of 400 kilometres. Dora uses GPS and a terminal guidance system to achieve high accuracy (within a few metres) Then there is Delilah is one of several loitering cruise missiles Israel has developed. There is also a ground launched Delilah with a range of 250 kilometres. Spike NLOS is another ground based loitering missile in wide use. These can search for a target, with a human controller approving a target via a data link, which also provides video of hits on targets, which Israel sometimes releases to the media. This was the case with the latest airstrikes, which destroyed many Syrian air defence systems (S-200 and Pantsir). Russia explained away the Pantsir loss by asserting that the vehicle was “resting”.
For a while (before making deals with Israel) Russia tried to dissuade Israel and its Western allies from attacking more Syrian targets, especially those that put its high tech weapons to the test because so far these electronic and anti-aircraft systems have proved ineffective against Israeli attacks and probably won’t do much better against the Americans. This is bad for business, as Russia has been touting the combat experience in Syria to get more sales for their new stuff. It would also be disastrous for Russian diplomacy which has portrayed Russia as a powerful and technically advanced ally for Syria, Iran and Turkey. Although Russia talks tough against Israel and the Americans it does not want to take that any further, nor does it want to appear like Russia is backing off.

Russia is in an embarrassing situation and not getting much sympathy from anyone, not even Russians back in Russia.

[Katman]

Germany openly called for Iran to withdraw its forces from Syria.

If Iranian troops are in Syria with the blessing of the Syrian government then it's really none of Germany's business.

(And I notice you're never game to cite the source of your copy and paste efforts).

Syria holds real elections for its government do they. Or are they like Russian elections.

Whether a retarded Transpower employee in New Zealand considers the Syrian government to be legitimately elected or not doesn't change the fact that they are the government of Syria.

[husaberg]

Russia is in an embarrassing situation and not getting much sympathy from anyone, not even Russians back in Russia.

It also needs to be mentioned that the Syrian isil forces contain a heck of a lot of recruits from the Former Soviet Union mainly Chechen and other Russian North Caucasusans
There is a lot of talk that the Russians even recruited and help them "migrate" to Turkey.
Vladimir Putin himself estimated in February 2017 that 4000 Russian citizens were fighting in Syria.
The last thing Russian wants is these radicals coming back to Russia.

If Iranian troops are in Syria with the blessing of the Syrian government then it's really none of Germany's business.

Syria holds real elections for its government do they. Or are they like Russian elections.

Also so in your opinion then ,next time Russia decides to steal some more land form Ukraine like it did with the annexing of crimea its okay for the Ukraine to get the USA to intervene.

[husaberg]

Whether a paranoid delusional taupo bike mechanic in New Zealand considers Vald to be highly erotic is highly relevent.

Useful to know but irrelevant. But don't go letting that get in the way of your latest delusion.
Back to the Crimea again
So in your opinion then ,next time Russia decides to steal some more land form Ukraine like it did with the annexing of crimea its okay for the Ukraine to get the USA to intervene.

[Katman]

Back to the Crimea again
So in your opinion then ,next time Russia decides to steal some more land form Ukraine like it did with the annexing of crimea its okay for the Ukraine to get the USA to intervene.

The people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to join the Russian Federation.

[husaberg]

The people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to join the Russian Federation.

Strangely that was after the Russian tanks and army rolled in and after Russia military seized the parliament buildings rather than before.

Ukraine and many world leaders condemned the annexation and consider it to be a violation of international law and Russian-signed agreements safeguarding territorial integrity of Ukraine, including the Agreement on Establishing the Commonwealth of Independent States in 1991, the Helsinki Accords, the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances of 1994 and the Treaty on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.[It led to the other members of the then G8 suspending Russia from the group,then introducing the first round of sanctions against the country. The United Nations General Assembly also rejected the vote and annexation, adopting a non-binding resolution affirming the "territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognised borders". The UN resolution also "underscores that the referendum having no validity, cannot form the basis for any alteration of the status of [Crimea]" and calls upon all States and international organizations not to recognize or to imply the recognition of Russia's annexation
Oleksandr Turchynov (20 March 2014).[Declaration "On the struggle for the liberation of Ukraine"] (in Ukrainian). Parliament of Ukraine.
Fred Dews (19 March 2014). "NATO Secretary-General: Russia's Annexation of Crimea Is Illegal and Illegitimate".
Bruno Waterfield; Peter Dominiczak; David Blair; The Daily Telegraph (24 March 2014). "Russia Temporarily Kicked Out of G8 Club of Rich Countries". Business Insider
"UN General Assembly adopts resolution affirming Ukraine's territorial integrity". China Central Television. 28 March 2014. Retrieved 8 March 2015
"United Nations A/RES/68/262 General Assembly" (PDF). United Nations. 1 April 2014. Retrieved 24 April 2014

The vote on United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 (supporting the position that Crimea and Sevastopol remain part of Ukraine) was 100 to 11 in favour, with 58 states abstaining and a further 24 of the 193 member states not voting through being absent when the vote took place.
Only Russia ,Afghanistan, Cuba, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, Sudan, Syria, and Zimbabwe have recognised the result of the 2014 referendum in Crimea

But don't let pesky details like that cloud your narration.

[Katman]

Strangely that was after the Russian tanks and army rolled in and after Russia military seized the parliament buildings rather than before.

But don't let pesky details like that cloud your narration.

96.77% voted in favour of joining Russia - with a voter turnout of 83.1%.

Russia didn't 'steal' anything.

[husaberg]

96.77% voted in favour of joining Russia - with a voter turnout of 83.1%.

Russia didn't 'steal' anything.

Yeah yeah
Again, was it before or after the Russian tanks rolled in Russian army seized the parliament and then arrested anyone that disagreed with them?

If Such democracies as Cuba, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, Sudan, Syria, and Zimbabwe All swear its a legit election who would ever argue with that logic
Seriously who ever know more how to run an election then those 7........
Palestine would have likely agreed as well, if only anyone would let them vote at the UN.