Short & sweet summary of the hypocrisy of Syrian situation

**husaberg** · 12th October 2018, 20:17

Originally Posted by Katman

Got a reference for that?

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The unauthorized retransfer of weapons originally destined for Syrian opposition forces has also proven a significant source of arms and ammunition for ISIS, particularly advanced anti-tank guided weapons systems. China manufactured 43.5 percent of all ISIS weapons documented in Iraq and Syria. Interestingly, Russian weapons still outnumbered Chinese weapons in Syria, something that's probably related to Russian arms supplies to forces loyal to the regime. Despite their haul of captured western hardware, U.S. weapons only accounted for 1.8 percent of all items documented between 2014 and 2017.

Putin's Russia supplies weapons to the terrorists of the Middle East
http://sprotyv.info/en/news/kiev/put...ts-middle-east

Russia and China, with 25 percent each, manufactured the most of ISIL's ammunition.
The proportion of ammunition made in the current decade (2010-17) was 15 percent, in contrast to weapons, two percent of which were made in the last seven years, according to CAR.
The report concluded: “These findings underscore the pivotal role that supplies of newly-produced, and recently-diverted, ammunition play in sustaining armed insurgency and terrorism worldwide.”

**Katman** · 13th October 2018, 10:04

Originally Posted by husaberk

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Putin's Russia supplies weapons to the terrorists of the Middle East
http://sprotyv.info/en/news/kiev/put...ts-middle-east

The only mention of ISIS in that article is this bit....

The Russians could not openly transfer weapons to militants, because Russia officially recognized ISIS as a terrorist organization. A number of operations were carried out, during which a staging of the assault of a number of bases of Syrian government troops was carried out by militants. The Assad troops withdrew without a fight, leaving bases and mountains of weapons. In fact, there was a hidden supply disguised as trophies. It is noteworthy that the situation changed later, and they ceased to act in this way.

Nowhere does it say that Russia supplies ISIS with 100% of its weapons and they don't even offer any evidence for these so-called 'number of staged operations' where mountains of weapons were supposedly left for the terrorists.

**husaberg** · 13th October 2018, 14:39

Originally Posted by thedudewhocan'tread

The only mention of ISIS in that article is this bit....

Nowhere does it say that Russia supplies ISIS with 100% of its weapons and they don't even offer any evidence for these so-called 'number of staged operations' where mountains of weapons were supposedly left for the terrorists.

You might want to learn to read and comprehend
I said they supply 100% of the weapons directly.
Not that they supply 100% of the weapons you utter dick.

**Katman** · 13th October 2018, 14:55

Originally Posted by husaberk

I said they supply 100% of the weapons directly.

Got a reference for that?

**oldrider** · 14th October 2018, 11:31

The Middle East Airlift (OCCRP) https://www.occrp.org/en/makingakill...-east-airlift/

**Viking01** · 22nd October 2018, 18:11

https://orientalreview.org/2018/10/1...ore-the-storm/

**Voltaire** · 22nd October 2018, 19:11

Was watching Al Jazeera yesterday and it had the history of the West 'helping' Libya during the Arab Spring in 2011 onwards.
Some pretty gruesome video along with how the usual's bombed them into a country now divided up by warlords.
Must be Saudi Arabia's turn next, conditions are good, much like Iran in the late 70's.

**Katman** · 22nd October 2018, 19:40

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Must be Saudi Arabia's turn next, conditions are good, much like Iran in the late 70's.

They were always going to have to give up a large chunk of land for the good of Greater Israel.

**Viking01** · 23rd October 2018, 09:22

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Was watching Al Jazeera yesterday and it had the history of the West 'helping' Libya during the Arab Spring in 2011 onwards.
Some pretty gruesome video along with how the usual's bombed them into a country now divided up by warlords.
Must be Saudi Arabia's turn next, conditions are good, much like Iran in the late 70's.

Interesting to see your comments. Yes, the Libyan civil war and the overthrow of
Gaddafi was a nasty little business. Probably one reason why you didn't (and don't)
actually see much mentioned in the western press.

1. Libya

The overthrow of Gaddafi was engineered on the basis of R2P (Responsibility
to Protect), an approach pioneered earlier by the West (NATO) during the
breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990's.

A pity certain UN nations didn't veto the Libya resolution:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...solution-split

And one of the reasons why Russia subsequently came to Syria's aid. Lesson learnt.

The whole Libyan business was driven by (i) access to Libyan oil reserves (ii) the
irrigation project planned for countries to the south of Libya (iii) gold dinar.

There was western concern over the Chinese gaining access to Libyan oil reserves.

Gaddafi has proposed the creation of a large irrigation project to pipe water from
huge Libyan water aquifers to inland countries, so as to develop agriculture in the
Saharan region and to help support their independence (from the West and IMF).

Gaddafi had proposed creation of a gold dinar, which posed two threats. One threat
was its use to underpin a new pan African currency, which could replace the USD for
oil purchases. It also threatened the continued use of the CFA (franc) currency used
throughout former French territories within north and central Africa. [ A condition
of granting "independence" to many former French territories in the 1960's was their
"agreement"to use the CFA, with all holdings and transactions via French banks.]

Sarzoky also had a wee issue regarding alleged election funding in 2007.

Hence the likely French willingness to front-foot the NATO R2P exercise in Libya.

If you want a few old newspaper articles to read on the above:

https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...ctive-war.html

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...linton-in-2011

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...kozy-campaign/

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/05/27...war-for-water/

And as much as the West derided Gaddafi, he was prescient enough to recognise one likely
major consequence of the NATO bombing campaign:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09...ration-crisis/

2. Saudi Arabia

Think the issue for the West is not Saudi Arabia and its regime, but just MBS himself and
his recent behaviour in the Khashoggi episode. A major faux pas.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/10/1...-saudi-regime/

For the West, there is too much money to be made selling weapons to the Saudi regime. Paid
in USD, and recycled back through western banks. Not to mention the suppressing of Russian
influence (e.g. OPEC ; sale of S400 missiles ; sale of nuclear power plants ; Saudi investment
in Russia)

https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...here-stay.html

And Russia is not about to forsake its recent improvement in relations with Saudi Arabia:

https://russia-insider.com/en/putin-...affair/ri25125

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/10/22...-saudi-arabia/

But on one front, at least one party is bound to be unhappy:

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...rael-1.6569996

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/10/21...aeli-alliance/

**Voltaire** · 23rd October 2018, 10:22

Erdogan is playing an interesting game, its not like he cares about Journalists,rights or Democracy.

**Viking01** · 24th October 2018, 11:51

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Erdogan is playing an interesting game, its not like he cares about Journalists,rights or Democracy.

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/10/23...mal-khashoggi/

Forgot to add second link:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-arabia-221740

**Viking01** · 25th October 2018, 08:40

Idlib continues to consume focus, but the real areas needing attention
are east of the Euphrates (due to oil wealth and its geo-strategic value).
And each day, the incumbents continue to consolidate.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-...tition/5657873

If Syria ever wants to evict the occupiers and reinstate its borders, it
still has a long road ahead of it.

**oldrider** · 25th October 2018, 17:08

Originally Posted by Viking01

Idlib continues to consume focus, but the real areas needing attention
are east of the Euphrates (due to oil wealth and its geo-strategic value).
And each day, the incumbents continue to consolidate.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-...tition/5657873

If Syria ever wants to evict the occupiers and reinstate its borders, it
still has a long road ahead of it.

What Israel wants Israel gets - like the TV cheese adds say - "good things take time" - 3k to 5k years in the making? - Business is business!

**oldrider** · 27th October 2018, 07:43

Since Sep 18, 2018, Israel has not attacked Syrian army or their allies' assets anywhere in #Syria. https://twitter.com/AWAKEALERT/statu...02564965851136 -

Well, they will be working on it, that is for sure - and then?

Business as usual?

**husaberg** · 27th October 2018, 10:51

Originally Posted by Viking01

Interesting to see your comments. Yes, the Libyan civil war and the overthrow of
Gaddafi was a nasty little business. Probably one reason why you didn't (and don't)
actually see much mentioned in the western press.

What you don't mention was why Libya was demonized for in the first place which was state sponsored terrorism. It was not it was just his citizens providing money and support to terrorism like other counties, it was full goverment support.
Gaddafi was treated fairly when this stopped the trade restrictions were removed as soon as the behavior stopped.
So to say the Libyan civil war was caused by the west or because of any interests from the west is not a true reflection of events that occurred.