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    11 October 2015: The Russian air support for the Syrian government forces has been effective, mainly because the Russians don’t care if civilians are in the way and get hurt.
    This is just as well because a lot of the Russian bombs are unguided.

    Russia does have GPS and laser guided bombs but not a lot of them. There are also many targets that can be destroyed just as easily with dumb bombs, especially if you are not concerned about dead civilians. The Russians are apparently shipping in thousands of unguided aircraft bombs, most (if not all) of them dating back to the Cold War (that ended in 1991). Syria, however is still using locally fabricated bombs and will probably continue to as Syrian helicopters are not equipped to drop aerial bombs. With Russian help the Syrian helicopter force will now increase but helicopters often make effective bombers.

    Since 2012 the Syrians have been dropping barrels filled with flammable liquids and explosives, rigged to explode when they hit the ground. This sort of thing is not unique to Syria and has been seen for years in Sudan where the government uses “barrel bombs” rolled out of transports and helicopters.
    These are not precision weapons, but if the target is a village or other residential area, they are accurate enough. The Syrian barrel bombs have been used frequently against civilian targets like markets, mosques, hospitals, schools and apartment buildings. This has persuaded many anti-Assad Syrians to flee the country which is exactly what the government wants. Now many of these Syrian refugees are forcing their way into Europe, which is another win as far as the Assads are concerned.

    Russian troops began arriving in late August and by mid-September began launching air strikes. That accelerated on 9th October and will continue to do so as more and more Russian cargo ships arrive with weapons, troops, ammunition and equipment. This increase in Russian military aid to Syria solves several problems for Russia. For one, it prevents the looming collapse of the Assad government, which has been losing territory at an accelerating rate in 2015 and is facing a collapse in morale among its forces and civilian supporters. Russia has been a staunch ally of the Assad dynasty since the 1970s. Iran can’t provide more aid, mainly because despite the July agreement to lift sanctions on Iran that does not go into effect until early 2016 and until then Iran is as broke as ever.
    But the arrival of the Russian troops does boost Iranian morale and willingness to send in more troops to act as advisors and trainers.

    Russia is only sending a few thousand ground troops but these are some of the best troops Russia has and ISIL and the other Islamic terrorist rebels will suffer much heavier casualties if they clash with these Russians. All this will boost morale among troops and Syrian civilians in Assad territory and make it more likely that a Russian peace proposal that keeps the Assads in power, even if it means a partition of Syria, will be more acceptable to the world. Russia says it is sending only “volunteers”. This is a policy adopted in Ukraine, and for good reason. While “acting strong” is popular with most Russians, the risk of your own conscripted sons getting sent to Ukraine or Syria and killed or maimed is definitely not popular.

    To the dismay of Russian leaders it was found that even when young volunteer (“contract”) soldiers get hurt there is popular backlash. This despite a government willingness to pay compensation (not a Russian tradition) to families of the dead, as well as to disabled soldiers. Thus Russia has an incentive to rely a lot on tech and mercenaries (mainly supplied by Iran) to avoid Russian casualties. That said the Russian force is not large (because Russian cannot afford a larger force) and they are depending on terror to help out. Russians make no secret of their indifference to civilian casualties and the use of terror against their enemies. ISIL sees this as more of a threat than the more high-tech Americans.

    By mid-September Russia had brought in enough warplanes and troops to support and protect the airbase near the coast in Latakia province. Despite Russian talk about it all being about ISIL (al Qaeda in Iraq and the Levant), most of the attacks so far have been against the most immediate threats to the twenty percent of Syria that the Assad forces control. This means rebels who are trying to defeat the Assads and not, like ISIL, seeking to establish a worldwide Islamic religious dictatorship. To placate foreign criticism Russia did hint that a column might be sent east to threaten the ISIL capital Raqqa. That would certainly be possible but even the Russians realize that most of the ISIL gunmen in the east are based among the population outside Raqqa and while these fanatics would die in large numbers they would also be inflicting a lot of unwelcome casualties on whoever the Russians had fighting on the ground.

    Nevertheless the Syrian government and their Iranian military advisors are examining the idea of sending a ground force of Syrian and mercenary (non-Russian) troops to Raqqa, assisted by ruthless Russian air power.
    Russia wants to carry out a “heroic intervention” to defeat ISIL and earn some positive publicity. That sort of thing is badly needed as Russia is currently seen as a treacherous bully because of its aggression in Ukraine and elsewhere in East Europe. By the end of the year Russia expects to turn that around, even if some depict them as a treacherous and opportunistic hero. Smashing ISIL would nevertheless be praised and appreciated. It would also be seen as a defeat for America and affirmation of Russian might and loyalty to its allies. The main problem Russia faces is doing this with a minimum of Russian casualties. That means inspiring the Syrian military, the Hezbollah militia and Iranian mercenaries to do most of the dangerous work on the ground.

    Russia admits that it is breaking the UN embargo to supply the Assad government with new weapons. That was clear as Russia announced the sale to Syria of another twelve MiG-29s. Only nine will be delivered by the end of 2016 and the last three will arrive in 2017. Russia appears determined to immediately do a lot to rebuild what is left of the Syrian Air Force, which has suffered enormous (over 70 percent) losses since 2011. Russia has always provided tech and material (spare parts) support for this largely Russian fleet of warplanes and helicopters but not enough for the Syrians to keep more than 30 percent of the 370 aircraft and helicopters operational. The surge of Russian support will mean the Syrian Air Force can be rebuilt and thus be even more active. The 50 or so Russian aircraft in Syria consist of Su-34 and Su-30 fighter-bombers, Su-24M bombers and Su-25 ground attack aircraft as well as about a dozen armed helicopters. There are also many transport helicopters.
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    I wondered how long it would be before the Western propaganda mouth-piece turned up.

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    For the sake of fairness - Swoop - can you cite some sources for a number of your claims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    11 October 2015: The Russian air support for the Syrian government forces has been effective, mainly because the Russians don’t care if civilians are in the way and get hurt.
    This is just as well because a lot of the Russian bombs are unguided. etc etc
    Interesting article but why not simply post the link? - save space!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    For the sake of fairness - Swoop - can you cite some sources for a number of your claims?
    What fucking sham. "for the sake of fairness" ask him to post "evidence" rather than the source you slimy weasel. (use of barrel bombs accepted)

    His source is obviously MSM and US state dept propaganda along with his own spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 View Post
    What fucking sham. "for the sake of fairness" ask him to post "evidence" rather than the source you slimy weasel. (use of barrel bombs accepted)

    His source is obviously MSM and US state dept propaganda along with his own spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    I wondered how long it would be before the Western propaganda mouth-piece turned up.
    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 View Post
    (use of barrel bombs accepted)His source is obviously MSM and US state dept propaganda along with his own spin.
    Ahh, the sound of whining cunts in the afternoon.
    A few simple facts that you have not gleaned from "western mainstream propaganda". FC46 you'd be disappointed by the source... (glad you acknowledge the barrel-bomb use however)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Are they still a thing? I thought natural section nailed those fuckers?
    Yeah - I went to one of their meetings a while ago - it was bullshit .. they all sit around and make bad puns ... they might have slightly higher IQs (a bullshit concept) than yer average person - but they are all stuck at 17 years old ...


    It is not surprising that Russia has sided with Al=Assad ... he's the leader of the Syrian branch of the Ba'ath party .. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_S...3_Syria_Region) - an old-fashioned atheistic Socialist party ...

    It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist or anti-'merikan person to understand that the Russians are supporting their fellow travelors ...

    So - who do we want to "win" in Syria? The brutal ditactor (supported by Putin) who acts like a modern-day Stalin? The Muslim fundamentalists? Or the Free Syrian Army (currently being bombed the shit out of by Russia under the guide of attacking ISIS)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Yeah - I went to one of their meetings a while ago - it was bullshit .. they all sit around and make bad puns ... they might have slightly higher IQs (a bullshit concept) than yer average person - but they are all stuck at 17 years old ...


    It is not surprising that Russia has sided with Al=Assad ... he's the leader of the Syrian branch of the Ba'ath party .. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_S...3_Syria_Region) - an old-fashioned atheistic Socialist party ...

    It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist or anti-'merikan person to understand that the Russians are supporting their fellow travelors ...

    So - who do we want to "win" in Syria? The brutal ditactor (supported by Putin) who acts like a modern-day Stalin? The Muslim fundamentalists? Or the Free Syrian Army (currently being bombed the shit out of by Russia under the guide of attacking ISIS)?
    So these are the guy's that we (NZ) should continue to support without question? https://www.rt.com/usa/318425-obama-...rategy-russia/

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    So these are the guy's that we (NZ) should continue to support without question? https://www.rt.com/usa/318425-obama-...rategy-russia/
    I doubt it ...

    Obama is right - there is no silver bullet for Syria - or for most of the middle east ... it's a cluster fuck ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    I doubt it ...

    Obama is right - there is no silver bullet for Syria - or for most of the middle east ... it's a cluster fuck ...
    Have a listen to what Putin has been saying - He called a spade a digging utensil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian d marge View Post
    Have a listen to what Putin has been saying - He called a spade a digging utensil
    Yup.
    And he's doing a far better job than the Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    I doubt it ...

    Obama is right - there is no silver bullet for Syria - or for most of the middle east ... it's a cluster fuck ...
    And long may the cluster-fuck stay where it is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Yeah - I went to one of their meetings a while ago - it was bullshit .. they all sit around and make bad puns ... they might have slightly higher IQs (a bullshit concept) than yer average person - but they are all stuck at 17 years old ...


    It is not surprising that Russia has sided with Al=Assad ... he's the leader of the Syrian branch of the Ba'ath party .. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_S...3_Syria_Region) - an old-fashioned atheistic Socialist party ...

    It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist or anti-'merikan person to understand that the Russians are supporting their fellow travelors ...

    So - who do we want to "win" in Syria? The brutal ditactor (supported by Putin) who acts like a modern-day Stalin? The Muslim fundamentalists? Or the Free Syrian Army (currently being bombed the shit out of by Russia under the guide of attacking ISIS)?
    You've got that round the wrong way, bad puns are a bullshit concept; iq is entirely relevant, you just have to be intelligent enough to know how to apply it
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    You've got that round the wrong way, bad puns are a bullshit concept; iq is entirely relevant, you just have to be intelligent enough to know how to apply it
    IQ tests are 'fundamentally flawed' and using them alone to measure intelligence is a 'fallacy', study finds
    results cast into doubt tests that have been used to link cognitive ability to race, gender and class

    STEVE CONNOR Friday 21 December 2012

    The idea that intelligence can be measured by IQ tests alone is a fallacy according to the largest single study into human cognition which found that it comprises of at least three distinct mental traits.

    IQ tests have been used for decades to assess intelligence but they are fundamentally flawed because they do not take into account the complex nature of the human intellect and its different components, the study found.

    The results question the validity of controversial studies of intelligence based on IQ tests which have drawn links between intellectual ability race, gender and social class and led to highly contentious claims that some groups of people are inherently less intelligent that other groups.

    Instead of a general measure of intelligence epitomised by the intelligence quotient (IQ), intellectual ability consists of short-term memory, reasoning and verbal agility. Although these interact with one another they are handled by three distinct nerve “circuits” in the brain, the scientists found.

    “The results disprove once and for all the idea that a single measure of intelligence, such as IQ, is enough to capture all of the differences in cognitive ability that we see between people,” said Roger Highfield, director of external affairs at the Science Museum in London.

    “Instead, several different circuits contribute to intelligence, each with its own unique capacity. A person may well be good in one of these areas, but they are just as likely to be bad in the other two,” said Dr Highfield, a co-author of the study published in the journal Neuron.


    The research involved an on-line survey of more than 100,000 people from around the world who were asked to complete 12 mental tests for measuring different aspects of cognitive ability, such as memory, reasoning, attention and planning.

    The researchers took a representative sample of 46,000 people and analysed how they performed. They found there were three distinct components to cognitive ability: short-term memory, reasoning and a verbal component.

    Professor Adrian Owen of the University of Western Ontario in Canada said that the uptake for the tests was astonishing. The scientists expected a few hundred volunteers to spend the half hour it took to complete the on-line tests, but in the end they got thousands from every corner of the world, Professor Owen said.

    The scientists found that no single component, or IQ, could explain all the variations revealed by the tests. The researcher then analysed the brain circuitry of 16 participants with a hospital MRI scanner and found that the three separate components corresponded to three distinct patterns of neural activity in the brain.

    “It has always seemed to be odd that we like to call the human brain the most complex known object in the Universe, yet many of us are still prepared to accept that we can measure brain function by doing a few so-called IQ tests,” Dr Highfield said.

    “For a century or more many people have thought that we can distinguish between people, or indeed populations, based on the idea of general intelligence which is often talked about in terms of a single number: IQ. We have shown here that’s just wrong,” he said.

    Studies over the past 50 years based on IQ tests have suggested that there could be inherent differences in intelligence between racial groups, social classes and between men and women, but these conclusions are undermined by the latest findings, Dr Highfield said.

    “We already know that, from a scientific point of view, the notion of race is meaningless. Genetic differences do not map on to traditional measurements of skin colour, hair type, body proportions and skull measurements. Now we have shown that IQ is meaningless too,” Dr Highfield said.

    The smarter test: Try it yourself

    These questions evaluate the three components of intelligence.

    Memory

    Candidates would be asked to remember and repeat a sequence, digits 3, 6, 1, 9, 6, 2, 5, 3 for example

    Reasoning

    If Box A is twice as big as Box B and Box C is half the size of Box A, which is bigger, C or B?

    Verbal skills

    If you are given the statement, “A does not follow B”, and then shown the letter B followed by the letter A, is the statement true or false?

    Answers: They’re both the same size; False
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