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If you took out oldies rants about how everything is the jews fault and katmans refusual to answer questions ita only about 3 pages.Originally Posted by F5 Dave
I've never been on this thread but it seemed a suitable point to mention the hypocrisy of a thread call a short summary that is 3 years and 39 pages on.
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Your own twisted interpretation of events as usual.
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Law unto themselves?:- https://theantimedia.com/john-bolton...icc-sanctions/ Totally unaccountable to anyone?
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11 September 2018: In Syria even the sudden arrival of Iranian mercenaries to reinforce Syrian forces in the northwest is not enough to start the final battle of the civil war; to take back Idlib province from the rebels. Turkey had insisted on no Iranian involvement but was eventually overruled by Russia and Iran. Syria preferred to keep the Iranian mercenaries out of this but was dependent on Iran for so much military and economic support that whatever Iran wanted, Syria complied.
The presidents of Iran, Russia and Turkey met on the 7th in Iran to decide what their common strategy would be in Syria, At that point Syrian troops had already assembled in the northwest and Syrian commanders carried out some preliminary attacks. Russian aerial reconnaissance confirmed what the Syrian troops reported; the rebels were preparing to resist and a lot more of the pro-rebel civilians in Idlib were being armed or were building fortifications. Iranian officers agreed with the Syrians that victory via a quick offensive was not going to work, even with maximum Russian air support (including cruise missiles launched from ships and aircraft). Idlib would have to be taken the hard way, with numerous small battles to take individual villages and towns. That would keep Syrian/Iranian casualties down, which was essential since there were not enough experienced troops for a lot of these battles being fought at the same time.
The results of the 7 September discussions were that the attack would go forward but in coordination with the Turks who faced a very real refugee problem as the only place the rebels and their civilian supporters could flee to was Turkey. Russia said it would deal with American threats to intervene (if Syria used chemical weapons again). The Russians were not going to fight the Americans. Not just because the Americans appeared to be a formidable threat but also because the Israelis might get involved and Russia does not want to destroy its ties with Israel over this. Meanwhile Russian warplanes have been hitting targets in Idlib with increasing frequency over the last few days. In effect the offensive has already begun, as a slow roll rather than a major assault.
Discussions continue on how Russia, Iran and Turkey will operate in Syria once the civil war is officially over. That will happen even before Idlib is back under Syrian government control. Because there are over 50,000 armed rebels in Idlib and fewer than 100,000 Syrian troops and Iranian mercenaries available for Idlib operations. Morale is not high among the attackers, especially the Syrian troops. Syria is negotiating peace deals with Kurds (who control the northeast), Druze (who occupy much of the Israeli-Jordan border) and Sunni groups (tribal leaders and local leaders who have not been hostile). Syria wants to attract a lot of foreign aid for reconstruction but that is complicated by Iranian plans to establish a permanent military presence and continue threatening Israel. Several members of the Assad clan are facing war crimes charges and Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan want to send back several million Sunni Arab refugees (which the Assads do not want). The war will not end quickly or in a tidy fashion.
Russia and the U.S. are still arguing over the chemical weapons issue in Syria. The UN agrees with the Americans that Syria has used chemical weapons against rebels and Syrians admit that they are ready to use chlorine gas against rebels. Russia still insists that the rebels are preparing to use chemical weapons despite available evidence indicating that the Syrian forces are more likely to use chemical weapons. The Americans threaten swift retribution if Syria uses chemical weapons again.
Russia is backing away from Iran in general because Iran is becoming more of a liability than an asset. Working closely with Iran in Syria was mainly about the 2015 treaty that lifted most sanctions on Iran and enabled Russia to do a lot more business in Iran. That did not work out as the corruption inside Iran delayed a lot of the expected new business and the Arab oil states pointed out that anyone who was really close to Iran would be getting a lot less business from the Arab states in general and the Arab oil states (which controlled more oil than Iran) in particular.
Then the Americans pulled out of the 2015 treaty earlier this year and are restoring many of the sanctions. European nations are finding that the U.S. revival of sanctions makes it impossible for many European firms to do business in Iran. Then there are the continued Iranian threats to attack Israel, especially from newly established bases in Syria. Israel has made it clear it will not allow those bases to remain and has warned Russia to stand aside when Israeli airstrikes hit the Iranians in Syria. Now Russia, the Americans and Israel have agreed to cooperate in getting Iran out of Syria. Turkey and Iraq would also prefer this. Until recently there were few press releases or other official announcements about this but you can see the plan unfolding as Iran finds itself abandoned in Syria and under growing attack. Russia has long-term interests in the Middle East and opportunities in Syria because of deals already made with the Assad government. Russia has been on good terms with Israel for a long time and sees that as more important than anything Iran has to offer.
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Ron Paul: Why the Heck Are We Siding With Al-Qaeda in Syria? https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/...rymakow.com%2F -
US Senator Richard Black: We (USA) need to support Syria fighting against Terrorism. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50234.htm But they are not are they?
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Breaking News: US and British Forces Trapped in Idlib Syria
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A different point of view worthy of a read at least? - http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/d...rael-in-syria/ - Certainly not MSM material.Dare yourself to read it.
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There are not just two sides in the Syrian conflict - there are essentially three groups involved.
Bashar Al Assad's Government
The Rebels (against Assad's repressive socialist government )
Al Qaeda ... who are late comers to this fight
But that is a bit of a simplistic view
Even the rebels are not really a unified group - as some of the supporters of Al Qaeda have joined the rebels - and some rebels have joined with Al Qaeda. Some of the rebels have also been fighting against Al Qaeda - the rebels hate Al Qaeda as much as the others hate them.
The Rebels want a free democracy - their war began when Assad used repressive and murderous tactics against his own people. They are a loose group lead by former Syrian Army officers. they called themselves the Free Syrian Army, though this group is different from the Turkish-backed Free Syrian Army - even if they are fighting on the same side. .
Al Qaeda moved into Syria after the Civil War started, when they got pushed out of the surrounding countries .. they are/were using the war to try to make the area a fundamentalist Islamic State.
While the US and allies have been focusing on Al Qaeda, Russia and Assad have been focusing on the Rebels .. and Assad and Putin have been using the term "terrorist" especially "Islamic terrorists" as a label to justify their attacks and gain international support, and reduce US interference in their war. Don't get sucked in by this label ..
So, with the US basically driving Al Qaeda out of Syria - and Putin/Assad winning over the Rebels, Syria will return to a Russian-backed Socialist regime - which is oppressive, brutal and tortures and murders its own people ..
A real win for the world (not). .
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Lead a horse to water etc - underestimate the enemy at your peril - they are very very clever and determined beyond simply generations their target is forever!(and forever!)
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The IDF has forced the Jerusalem Post to remove its explosive report on the Israeli military giving weapons to the Syrian rebels, the newspaper’s managing editor confirmed to RT.
https://www.rt.com/news/437719-jerus...st-idf-censor/
No wonder ISIS etc never ever attacked Israel.Who said that?
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Conceding Defeat in Iraq - https://www.raialyoum.com/index.php/...efeat-in-iraq/ - Two sides to every story? - this was the other guy's story!- MAGA?
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Putin says Israel did not shoot down Russian plane, calls it a tragic accident :- Friends huh - https://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-...agic-accident/ Who needs enemies then?
Moscow Accuses Israel Of Using Downed Russian Jet As "Cover" During Syrian Attack:- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-syrian-attack
Business is business never let a good tragedy go to waste - even if you have to create one yourself - sorta like a mini 9/11?
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