Chris Cairns - Guilty or innocent?

[Oscar]

You really are addicted to the keyboard warrior image aren't you!

1. I haven't been on this thread for some time.

2. If you don't like it could always whinge to a moderator.

3. Pointing out the fact that you believe anything you read on the internet does not a warrior make. It makes me observant.

[oldrider]

1. I haven't been on this thread for some time.

2. If you don't like it could always whinge to a moderator.

3. Pointing out the fact that you believe anything you read on the internet does not a warrior make. It makes me observant.

Pretty weak - even for you! - Still, mildly entertaining as always.

[husaberg]

Nothing . I have no clue either way from listening to the evidence (both of the previous court hearing and this one ) ...

Nio idea at all ... But he does seem pretty arrogant ..

I think you missed the bet joke............

[husaberg]

Really comes down to: Guilty or not - the stain remains! - There appears to be enough stain to last a long long time - the silly bugger.

I find it hard to imagine any scenario where or why all the separate people finger him, if he was innocent. Its illogical as they have more to loose and nothing to gain from the more intensive scrutiny of there own actions and life.

[oldrider]

I find it hard to imagine any scenario where or why all the separate people finger him, if he was innocent. Its illogical as they have more to loose and nothing to gain from the more intensive scrutiny of there own actions and life.

Totally agree!

[Akzle]

It will come down to evidence and law

what?! You mean this kb thread isnt going to determine the outcome?

But, but, but OPINIONS!

[oldrider]

what?! You mean this kb thread isnt going to determine the outcome?

But, but, but OPINIONS!

Well a selected group of KBr's sent a copy of this thread to the British courts but can you believe it - they didn't think it would wash! Poms!

[Banditbandit]

I think you missed the bet joke............

yeah .. I did .. sorry ...

[TheDemonLord]

I find it hard to imagine any scenario where or why all the separate people finger him, if he was innocent. Its illogical as they have more to loose and nothing to gain from the more intensive scrutiny of there own actions and life.

That is a most dangerous and slippery argument:

'He must be guilty because everyone says so'

He may or may not be guilty (I hate cricket, so don't give a flying toss) and the courts may find the evidence sufficient to prove one way or another, or may find it insufficient to prove.

Either way, I will be damned before society determines a verdict based solely on whether or not multiple people testify against the defendant, as opposed to the content of their testimony or physical evidence.

On a related note:

https://youtu.be/VNIRUigPxA8?t=1779

Feel to free to watch the entire clip - I've skipped to the bit about False Memory, which makes for interesting thought.

[husaberg]

That is a most dangerous and slippery argument:

'He must be guilty because everyone says so'

He may or may not be guilty (I hate cricket, so don't give a flying toss) and the courts may find the evidence sufficient to prove one way or another, or may find it insufficient to prove.

Either way, I will be damned before society determines a verdict based solely on whether or not multiple people testify against the defendant, as opposed to the content of their testimony or physical evidence.

On a related note:

https://youtu.be/VNIRUigPxA8?t=1779

Feel to free to watch the entire clip - I've skipped to the bit about False Memory, which makes for interesting thought.

Not really, its only a personal opinion I expressed out loud.
For the life of me I can't imagine a scenario where all the players would turn on him without reason.
I am aware of memory malleability and how it can be distorted by others accounts (I can't remember the term)
As a few have also implicated themselves and one has already received a life ban, there seems far too little to gain.
I based my opinion on the testimony of the individuals rather than just the number of them. The number of witnesses does add weight and credence to the prosecution though.
Btw Society was dammed as soon as the lawyers started profiteering from dramas such as this.


re your Video Crickey Penn has lost weight

[oldrider]

But did Cairns commit perjury? - isn't that is still the vital question of the trial? - a lot of hot air he said they said I said we said doesn't necessarily mean that he did!

The end result may be quite surprising!

[TheDemonLord]

But did Cairns commit perjury? - isn't that is still the vital question of the trial? - a lot of hot air he said they said I said we said doesn't necessarily mean that he did!

The end result may be quite surprising!

I think the end result has been known well in advance:

A bunch of lawyers laughing on the way to the bank....

[mulletman]

But did Cairns commit perjury? - isn't that is still the vital question of the trial? - a lot of hot air he said they said I said we said doesn't necessarily mean that he did!

The end result may be quite surprising!

Nope and yes

[Grumph]

Juries are notoriously unpredictable....

[PrincessBandit]

Well he walks free, but as he said his reputation has been fried and he'll never work in cricket again. Nice to see he commented that at least his parents can hold their heads up in NewZealand. They should always have been able to do that anyway but still the stain will remain on the man himself, I'm sure. Despite the verdict there'll still be many who are convinced it was the wrong decision.