Chris Cairns - Guilty or innocent?

**oldrider** · 1st December 2015, 07:42

Clear cut by law - never clear cut by society - forever stained and nobody will ever really know the truth except for Chris Cairns - kinda like David Bain!

**TheDemonLord** · 1st December 2015, 09:42

I will admit - things like this leave a conflicted opinion - in theory the verdict should expunge any doubts or implications of wrong doing in the public eye. The Court of Public opinion however is not bound by such ideals.

Was he Guilty? I have no idea, I wasn't in the trial and I don't particularly care. Will he be exonerated by the Public? Doubtful.

**husaberg** · 1st December 2015, 15:47

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I will admit - things like this leave a conflicted opinion - in theory the verdict should expunge any doubts or implications of wrong doing in the public eye. The Court of Public opinion however is not bound by such ideals.

Was he Guilty? I have no idea, I wasn't in the trial and I don't particularly care. Will he be exonerated by the Public? Doubtful.

they found him not guilty, sadly that doesn't mean he is innocent, shame like his dad he was a talented buggar a match winner
I guess it proves that the courts system errs on the side of caution.

**Moise** · 1st December 2015, 19:22

One day, maybe, the whole story will come out. Obviously Lou Vincent wasn't a convincing witness, the former Mrs Vincent was pissed, and for whatever reason, the jury wasn't that impressed by Bazza. I guess you had to be there ...

Just one thought though - if he was a match fixer, why sue Modi for libel?

**oldrider** · 1st December 2015, 20:14

Originally Posted by Moise

One day, maybe, the whole story will come out. Obviously Lou Vincent wasn't a convincing witness, the former Mrs Vincent was pissed, and for whatever reason, the jury wasn't that impressed by Bazza. I guess you had to be there ...

Just one thought though - if he was a match fixer, why sue Modi for libel?

Maybe he just took a punt and got lucky - you have to be a risk taker to stand out there and get rock hard balls thrown at you at high speed for fun!

**pete376403** · 1st December 2015, 21:32

Originally Posted by Moise

Just one thought though - if he was a match fixer, why sue Modi for libel?

He had to, as to do nothing would be taken as a tacit agreement of guilt.

And now he goes back to court with Modi, who has enough money to tie Cairns up in court forever.

**husaberg** · 1st December 2015, 21:38

Originally Posted by pete376403

He had to, as to do nothing would be taken as a tacit agreement of guilt.

And now he goes back to court with Modi, who has enough money to tie Cairns up in court forever.

Modi had offered to settle out of court Carins refused.
From the first libel case

It emerged in court that Modi had offered Cairns £75,000 (NZ$145,000) damages last April but Cairns rejected that and requested a role as a coach in the Indian Premier League or a satellite tournament in Sri Lanka or Australia instead. Justice Bean said: "I'm satisfied Mr Cairns was justified in coming to trial to get the vindication which he has sought."

He only got
£90,000 (NZ$174,000) damages plus legal fees

**oldrider** · 2nd December 2015, 08:04

Without prejudice - I have to feel some real sympathy for Cairns - he has been battling away for almost 5? years and has won against some very searching charges!

If he has not done these things and "is" not guilty it would be an extremely hard place to be in and now he is going to have to face another lot FFS!

Glad it is not me or mine! - Maybe the rest of the worlds failure to recognise me as a hero has had some benefit after all!

**neels** · 2nd December 2015, 17:14

Sadly, the by product of presumed innocent unless proved guilty is that found not guilty does not prove innocence, and the accused will be judged accordingly.

One only needs to look at the OJ Simpson case, where he was found not guilty in criminal court, but in civil court on the balance of probabilities was found liable for causing death.

And to speculate based on the above, if indeed he is completely innocent of all suggestions it does appear that a lot of people have gone to a lot of trouble to set Cairns up at very little advantage to themselves, whereas if he is not completely innocent it would certainly explain some of his rather strange behaviour during a number of cricket matches.

Maybe he'll confess all on his deathbed and we'll finally know.