Iam nz

**tamarillo** · 27th October 2015, 07:16

If you have done your local ACC sponsored courses etc, and wonder what next for road riding skills, check out IAM. Check online at UK videos of police pursuit riders and their riding systems. This is the basis of IAM.

NZ site http://iam.org.nz/motorcycles/

**GrayWolf** · 28th October 2015, 20:19

Originally Posted by tamarillo

If you have done your local ACC sponsored courses etc, and wonder what next for road riding skills, check out IAM. Check online at UK videos of police pursuit riders and their riding systems. This is the basis of IAM.

NZ site http://iam.org.nz/motorcycles/

I've said this exact thing many times. Sadly, most here are far more interested in learning from 'track day' riding skills so they can 'go faster', rather than actual 'roadcraft'. They refuse to 'see' that track riding skills are not always the best thing on the highway.

**nzspokes** · 28th October 2015, 20:30

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

I've said this exact thing many times. Sadly, most here are far more interested in learning from 'track day' riding skills so they can 'go faster', rather than actual 'roadcraft'. They refuse to 'see' that track riding skills are not always the best thing on the highway.

Roadcraft is no good to you if you cant get the motorcycle round the corner.

To the OP, you might want to say what IAM is so that dont can understand what you are on about.

**Katman** · 28th October 2015, 22:34

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Roadcraft is no good to you if you cant get the motorcycle round the corner.

With a few basic skills any bozo can get a bike around a corner.

Track time does very little to teach a person good observational skills and situational awareness - or for that matter, good old fashioned restraint.

**Gremlin** · 28th October 2015, 23:42

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Roadcraft is no good to you if you cant get the motorcycle round the corner.

However, reading a corner (forward observation, vanishing point, and position) is certainly part of getting a motorcycle around a corner, and that is indeed roadcraft.

**nzspokes** · 29th October 2015, 05:33

Originally Posted by Gremlin

However, reading a corner (forward observation, vanishing point, and position) is certainly part of getting a motorcycle around a corner, and that is indeed roadcraft.

Dont disagree of course. In fact all of which is part of Trackcraft if you want to call it that.

**FJRider** · 29th October 2015, 06:00

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

I've said this exact thing many times. Sadly, most here are far more interested in learning from 'track day' riding skills so they can 'go faster', rather than actual 'roadcraft'. They refuse to 'see' that track riding skills are not always the best thing on the highway.

Perhaps if they painted a centerline on the track (and you were restricted to the left lane) ... and had random vehicles coming the other way ... it might seem more real ...

**Blackbird** · 29th October 2015, 07:33

Isn't it about time Cassina made an appearance?

**T.W.R** · 29th October 2015, 08:08

Originally Posted by Blackbird

Isn't it about time Cassina made an appearance?

Probably saw the thread name and thought it was someone being self-absorbed

**tamarillo** · 29th October 2015, 11:08

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Roadcraft is no good to you if you cant get the motorcycle round the corner.

To the OP, you might want to say what IAM is so that dont can understand what you are on about.

Well, I figure if any rider has any motivation to improve there road riding, they could follow the link. There are some very good videos on YouTube and uk IAM site too.

As for getting around the corner, well I'll agree that the place to learn about your hikes capabilities and safe cornering ability is the track, and have enjoyed days there in training myself.
But the road is very different place, and once you know you can use the ability of your bike, next you need to learn where to be on road, how to identify and react to hazards etc etc.

Many a good experienced rider, one who is thought of as one to learn from, has found huge improvement from road craft training.

An ex UK police pursuit rider on his ST1300 makes a mockery of some of these so called experienced riders on smaller agile bikes over the takaka hill.

A friend commented that I take my riding seriously (I was in midst of the IAM work at time) and asked if its still fun. I thought about that and replied : hell yes I have huge fun, but riding a motorcycle on a public road is a bloody stupid thing to do when you think about how vulnerable we are, and how often we crash when it's all our own fault. So if I'm going to do something that stupid I better take it seriously.
I now enjoy my riding more than ever, and am still learning.

Each to their own, but truly believing you've got nothing to learn is the single biggest factor in likely hood of crashing, IMO.

**nzspokes** · 29th October 2015, 13:34

Originally Posted by Maha

100% agree with this, I would assess that perhaps 80% of those who attend track days do so for the fun factor.

Better rider training places than a track ie: the road, where the real shit happens. Thousands of road cones there, but you are not supposed to slalom through them.

What was the last training you did?