Iam nz

[Gremlin]

No wonder then you need IAMS if you feel nothing was learnt when you sat your licence. Its all very well for them to say their course is more advanced than sitting your licence but without any detail listed I would percieve it as being no different to going for my license again as in both cases you are followed and judged are you not?

Process is listed on the website: http://iam.org.nz/how-to-join/

After applying, you go for a no-obligation ride/drive with an Observer, who'll give you a high level assessment and mention a few key points. You'll also receive a run sheet outlining those key points. You're free to bring along any questions you might have. At this stage, (and for capacity reasons) it's mainly those that have a high level of interest/investment that actively seek out IAM. In time there will be more casual interest when IAM is more widely known.

After the run, you're free to go away and decide (ie, the no obligation part). If you want to join then you make payment etc. You're in Christchurch, there is an active branch. How about you experience it?

I did very little formal training when sitting my motorcycle licences, far more development after it. Passed both car and bike theory 100%. Sat my R and F car tests after they changed them (I sat in 2013) and was already involved with IAM and passed both, commenting to the tester it could be harder, at which point he exclaimed people were already complaining they were too hard (and told me one story about a girl who started crying when it started raining...)

[FJRider]

Its all very well for them to say their course is more advanced than sitting your licence but without any detail listed I would percieve it as being no different to going for my license again as in both cases you are followed and judged are you not?

You perceive wrong ... and if you have not read the details ... you are not qualified to comment on what the course content might entail ... nor it's value to any road user.

[FJRider]

To have crashed 5+ times, doesnt sound like much stuck.

Four of those times ... no other vehicle involved. (and two of them involving dogs ... whats with that .. ?? )

[caspernz]

Four of those times ... no other vehicle involved. (and two of them involving dogs ... whats with that .. ?? )

Smells fishy to me...or maybe I smell a rat

Or maybe Elvis came by in a UFO?

[bogan]

Yes I have a class 6 license and passed it first time too. I was followed and judged just as you would be in an IAM test although I am guessing the IAM test would cover roads beyond city limits. So do you think because my license test was not done on the open road you feel I need IAMs training?

The might, just maybe, for you informationality, test to a higher standard... do they not?

And, I think because you've had 5+ accidents you need IAMs training, did you not, so do you not?

[nzspokes]

Yes I have a class 6 license and passed it first time too. I was followed and judged just as you would be in an IAM test although I am guessing the IAM test would cover roads beyond city limits. So do you think because my license test was not done on the open road you feel I need IAMs training?

With your riding history I would say all the training you can get is a good idea.

[bogan]

I see no point in doing it because I do not believe it can make you bullet proof from the screwups of others on the road as you and your mates believe. If however I had a habit of crashing through my own fault and it happened as often as you lot think maybe then it would be worth doing it to see where I was going wrong.

I'm still struggling to see how you can justify tucking the front end as an accident that wasn't your fault... Is it not true that you personally, for your information, pulled the level that abruptly increased your horizontality?

In additionality for your information, it is possible, nay, advisable, to prevent accidents which are not your fault as well. Staying upright on a bike is simply preferably to having a wee lie down, is it not?

Or is it such an isolated incident that it is not habit forming

[FJRider]

I see no point in doing it because I do not believe it can make you bullet proof from the screwups of others on the road as you and your mates believe. If however I had a habit of crashing through my own fault and it happened as often as you lot think maybe then it would be worth doing it to see where I was going wrong.

Your posts have enlightened me ...

I am now in the belief that common sense is not a gift ... rather a punishment ...

Especially when you encounter some that do not posses any ...

[nzspokes]

For your information sport I do know how to swerve and break hard however the crashes I have had as a result of the actions of others have happened too fast to even do that which is something you IAMs believers think can not be true isnt it?

With training these things will not be a shock to you.

Maybe grab some training in English at the same time.

[bogan]

For your information sport I do know how to swerve and break hard however the crashes I have had as a result of the actions of others have happened too fast to even do that which is something you IAMs believers think can not be true isnt it?

Sportsfan information broadcast incoming! Cos that is completely at odds with the accident in which you tucked the front though, is it not? If you knew how to break (read brake, obviously you can break bikes) it wouldn't have happened, if you had no time to even do that, it wouldn't have been done. Yet, it was, was it not?

[Gremlin]

I see no point in doing it because I do not believe it can make you bullet proof from the screwups of others on the road as you and your mates believe. If however I had a habit of crashing through my own fault and it happened as often as you lot think maybe then it would be worth doing it to see where I was going wrong.

I've already said there is no magic bullet to stop incidents. Over-confidence after training is also covered in the Police Riders Handbook (Roadcraft). Don't bother doing it if you're not interested in seeing if you can improve, otherwise you're wasting your time, and theirs.

Let's leave the personal attacks out of this thread...

[Berries]

So do you think because my license test was not done on the open road you feel I need IAMs training?

Based purely on the content of most of your posts I would say you should go and have a go with an open mind. If it is shit and you honestly learn nothing then fair enough but at least then you can comment from a position of knowledge rather than an assumption based on a misunderstanding. From some of the things you have said on KB I am frankly amazed that you are still alive - I am quite tempted to start a collection so that it costs you nothing just so that you do have a go and have your blinkers taken off for a minute.

[Gremlin]

The only people who need to take these courses are those who cause accidents either to themselves or others and returning midlife crisis bikers who have become rusty in their riding ability. I am sorry to say but I fit neither catagory.

Sure... all the examples listed so far also include riders that have ridden the world, plenty could probably say they haven't crashed recently. Most have gained something. I try not to jump on a soap box, but generalising... those that say they have nothing to learn are usually the ones that stand to benefit the most.

Those that have no ego, seek to improve and accept feedback are those that improve the most and are usually the better riders. At least with the likes of IAM no-one can argue that improving your riding costs too much.

[GrayWolf]

No wonder then you need IAMS if you feel nothing was learnt when you sat your licence. Its all very well for them to say their course is more advanced than sitting your licence but without any detail listed I would percieve it as being no different to going for my license again as in both cases you are followed and judged are you not?

Cassina,
stop and think for a few minutes, go back and watch the second clip i posted and actually WATCH and LISTEN. Where, anywhere, when you learned to ride your bike, or, drive your car, were you taught how to read the road, position for hazards, anticipate and prepare in any way like that?? Surely as you saw when the 'silver truck' came out on the Police driver, {who was not hanging about} he was calm, confident, prepared and already had allowed for just that situation to occur.
When you take your test here you are taught, 'keep left' correct? Yet on a left hand bend the best position for maximum view round the bend is out by the centre line........ there is one of the most basic contributions that ROADCRAFT has made to most peoples driving, because that simple 'change' of driving/riding technique WAS originated from the Police Roadcraft system.

[Kickaha]

Good luck if you think riding the centre line on a bend is safer than not riding it as bends can vary in their tightness and complexity (trees vegitation etc blocking the view) and in case you were not aware there has been a lot of media stories about other vehicles crossing the cente line on bends and if you are riding the centre line at the same time a head on collision is very likely but if you keep left you could more likely avoid the other vehicle by swerving off the road. In an ideal world what you are saying would enable you to corner quicker and smoother through the bend but we are not living in an ideal world where everyone keeps to their side of the road. I can tell you now that IAMs ridng from what you have said is definitly not for me because you are placing too much trust in other motorists not to screw up.

You are stupider than I would believe possible, nowhere did he say anything about riding the centreline around the entire bend, it is about viewing position, something you seem totally unaware of