Iam nz

[James Deuce]

Drop it, one can't communicate with cassina. She's right, we're all wrong, every choice is binary and definitive, judgement has been passed.

She's a legal expert, a biochemist, a physician, a neurologist, a riding instructor and a murderously effective dog whisperer.

We should cower before her, basking in the glory that is a black and white world view.

[caspernz]

There is a waiting list of riders that do want to improve, so I would simply be a fool to waste my time trying to convince the unwilling. Instead, I spend my time on those that do want to improve...

That's the positive aspect though, the fact quite a few riders wanna improve themselves. Myself included

The beauty for anyone who joins is that learning never stops and it's regularly reinforced so that personal standards don't slip. Not everyone's cup of tea though, just one option.

Jeez, that's what we go thru at work in a near non-stop fashion. Assess, focus on improvements, re-assess next time... Refresher training...

Tim's {Instructor/Popo rider} somewhat blunt manner sticks in my mind, I can only guess how many bad habits i have let slip, and just what his kind delivery would be saying..... "wot the fookin 'ell do you think that was?" would be the start of it

Sounds a bit like that grumpy old training sergeant I had back in Holland when I went thru truck licences...nothing subtle back then

Hahaha! There's a strong ethos of no egos or grandstanding over here, so no blunt manner allowed! Shift work isn't a show stopper. One of my Associates works shift and about to take another on who is in the same boat. I'm a retired layabout so it's not a big deal.

Damn, I'm sure my ears have a burning sensation right about now...

You seem to have a strange understanding of the word 'scanning'.

In the Smiths driving system, the scanning parlance is substituted with something more like "make sure you get the big picture" which is a failing for many motorists, regardless of their chosen vehicle.

[Maha]

Can you scan without rotating your head because if not you are not scanning are you and I assume by scanning you mean 180 degrees?

Scanning is AHEAD, where it is very easy to do... using only your eyes.

[bogan]

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/me.../7e22138c2.jpg

That looks like a very expensive way to find out our roads are fucking shit.

Reminded me of this...

[bogan]

which would require a degree of head rotation.

Just one?

[Maha]

Some on here claim to be skilled at looking up driveways for dogs running out which would require a degree of head rotation.

Probably bullshit and that is not scanning. You scan what is in front of you, not to your left or right, that's just.... looking. Very little skilled required.

[nzspokes]

Chapter 1 of roadcraft is mental attitude/approach. You're clearly not going to get past that chapter. I typically find those that have a closed mind to increasing their skills (regardless of which level their skills are at) or have an big ego about their riding need the most improvement. Obviously if you want to continue along as you are, there is no legal requirement to do otherwise, I'm certainly not going to force you to. I do have an issue with your closed mind postings, as any learner could see that and deem it acceptable, hence I respond.

There is a waiting list of riders that do want to improve, so I would simply be a fool to waste my time trying to convince the unwilling. Instead, I spend my time on those that do want to improve...

Key point is those that want to learn generally will. The concept that having to take some time to learn something seems to be lost on some. An hour long course is not going to do it. I enjoy learning so grab what I can.

I would like to do some work with IAM but time does not allow for me to give it the effort it deserves. Ive done 3 hours training with the head honcho and it changed how I ride. Also had 1 basic observed ride for an hour or so. So I have just touched on the outer edges of IAM.

Some of it I know from reading and they use some of the track skills (or track use some of the roadcraft skills).

Now one point I will raise that maybe some are wondering. Dont think these guys are slow. One of the concepts I believe is the right gear for the corner. Another is using vanishing points. And another is about using lines for good vision. What you get with a rider that can do all that? Someone that is properly quick and smooth.

[nzspokes]

Maybe if IAMs had been around when I iearnt to ride I may have been interested but unlike you i have been riding since 1976 with NO mid life crisis gap. if you do some research its the mid life crisis guys who are most likely to come to grief. You have to respect that everyone learns differently and it is said you cant beat experience which I have more of than you.

If you knew shit about training then you would know that years doing a task does not mean you have been doing it correctly. I work in H&S and the hardest to train are the ones that have been doing a job incorrectly and have got lazy doing it.

Lets not forget how many times you have crashed.

[Katman]

Can you scan without rotating your head because if not you are not scanning are you and I assume by scanning you mean 180 degrees?

Do your eyes move at all while you're riding?

Or are they locked on one point somewhere ahead of you?

[caspernz]

a degree of head rotation.

Just one?

Ouch, don't feed us slow pitches man!

Key point is those that want to learn generally will. The concept that having to take some time to learn something seems to be lost on some.

Ah yep, it first and foremost requires an open mind

If you knew shit about training then you would know that years doing a task does not mean you have been doing it correctly. I work in H&S and the hardest to train are the ones that have been doing a job incorrectly and have got lazy doing it.

Lets not forget how many times you have crashed.

Yes, the multitude of times one has bent/broken a rule/policy without adverse consequence suggests it must all be kosher...until all the holes in the swiss cheese line up...comes up regularly in incident/accident investigations in my line of work.

The irony is that sometimes a new dog on the block learns the tricks faster and better than an old hand...

[bogan]

You forget the bad crashes I have had ... so I must be doing it right despite what you think.

Still with the slow pitches eh...

[nzspokes]

You should know that if you ride wrong you dont live long so I must be doing it right despite what you think. You forget the bad crashes I have had have been the fault of others and not due to incorrect riding ability.

How many concussions have you had in all these crashes?

[Gremlin]

You have to respect that everyone learns differently and it is said you cant beat experience which I have more of than you.

Are you sure? Years of doing the same thing over and over are not added together and don't automatically equal experience. If you've been doing the same thing for 40 years, you have 40 years of the same 1 year of experience (and if you've been doing it badly, then I've got some news for you). Most of the riders I've observed have been riding longer than myself. Some have been riding since youngsters and are now retired, while I'm 32 (and second youngest observer to boot). When the feedback starts flowing, all preconceived notions stop. Skills are improved and everyone is better off. We never stop learning.

[bogan]

You missed out my quote saying they were all the fault of others.

Well, I figured I'd just quote the relevant bits.

To spell it out for you, advanced rider training doesn't just prevent you causing an accident, it allows you to avoid other people's (and canine's) as well.

The sad bit is, that's about as simple as it can be said but I'm pretty sure you still won't get the point

[Madness]

canine's

They do dogs and cats now?