Triumph Thruxton 1199R

[far queue]

A dollar figure would be pretty useful as well.

£11,800 according to Jack Lilley in the UK which looks likely to me to be mid 20's here, and not available until April.

[AllanB]

£11,800 according to Jack Lilley in the UK which looks likely to me to be mid 20's here, and not available until April.

Mid 20's. Bad price range - a bucket load of very desirable machines from around the globe in that price bracket.

Maybe the 'standard' air cooled Bonnie is still looking attractive for most buyers interested in that sort of machine then.

[Ender EnZed]

Mid 20's. Bad price range - a bucket load of very desirable machines from around the globe in that price bracket.

Maybe the 'standard' air cooled Bonnie is still looking attractive for most buyers interested in that sort of machine then.

Yeah, the old Thruxton 900 at $15k sounds like pretty good value for what it is. Paying an extra ~$10k for a slightly less slow version of the same, that's still slower than a Street Triple, does not sound like good value.

[Berries]

... and not available until April.

Problem solved then, bloody teasers.

[AllanB]

Can't find any info on weight. Other than the motorcycle world being worried it has gotten heavier!

Slipper clutches, multi ride modes ....... retro is not what it was.

High pipe version looks cool. I still despise the wave holes in the single disk. Matches nothing on the bike.

Should Norton be worried now given they are super expensive.

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Having seen the speculation and spy pics for long time now I was really looking forward to the new range being released. When it was I was underwhelmed by the Speedtwin and T120 but liked the look of the Thruxton R, however I'm finding myself going off it. Why not release the full specs? The things I want to know are Weight, HP, Tank Size, Price, Seat Height (I'm a short arse). Why leave people to guess? Around 100hp seems to be the popular guess, which doesn't seem a lot to me for a modern 1200, which Triumph call the "High Power" version in the Thruxton. The current Bonneville range are very tame as new and have a very under stressed engine, maybe the new one is too, for a 1200. I expect it'll be heavier than the current Bonneville range due to the water cooling/radiator, more substantial brakes, etc.

As AllanB said you can get a lot more bike for a mid $20k price from other manufacturers, even from Triumph in the Speed 94. Of course it's all speculation for now and it'll be 6 months before we see one, so It'll be interesting to see what figures finally come out. How much is show, and how much is go?

There's also the fact that I've spent a lot improving my T100 so the power and handling is a lot better than stock, and I really like what I've got now. It'll be interesting to go for a test ride eventually and compare.

[jim.cox]

I expect it'll be heavier than the current Bonneville range due to the water cooling/radiator, more substantial brakes, etc.

Certainly sounds like the new range are a bit on the porky side...

Should Norton be worried now given they are super expensive.

I figure the Norton to be MUCH more desirable, but there will be more Triumphs sold

[cc rider]

My boss just got back from UK launch.

Bastard didn't bring me anything

[AllanB]

My boss just got back from UK launch.

Bastard didn't bring me anything

Clearly time for a new job.

[carbonhed]

Well the BMW RnineT is an air cooled 1170 cc twin and it's got 110 bhp.

Similarly priced to the new Bonneville.

I'd hope for more than 110 bhp.

[jonbuoy]

I like it - really nice production line job of marrying the old to the new. As long as it has a really nice roll on roll off power delivery peak power wouldn't bother me on a naked like that. Someone will make some aftermarket cams to shuffle the power around.

[smmudd83_1999]

I was always a disappointed with the 2000 onwards Hinckley Bonnevilles. The '59 onward machines were real mean machines for the everyman. The new Bonnevilles are super dull to ride and are hardly overly spritely. They are novice machines that have sold well due to their unthreatening/easy-to-get-on-with nature, but to more experience riders they lack guts and character. Without tuning at any rate! (and which many have done).

When the 1600 T'bird arrived I thought Triumph would do a shorter wheelbase, naked retro with it. It'd be like a MT-01 that looked pretty - 'The New Bonneville That Never Happened' (though I understand focus groups in the UK called for it).

I guess we can say this new bike is it, sort of. A pretty good halfway house, at any rate.

Discounting the new CB1100 (dull), GSX1400 (not retro enough), CB1300 (same), W800 (dull) the only vague Jappa contenders might be the XJR1300 for performance and $s-wise.
The 961 Commando is still prettier and a bit closer to the "real" thing, though (which isn't necessarily a positive, depending on which period of motorcycling you hail from). But is way more $s. In days gone by the old Ducati Sport Classics using the 1000DS motors were pretty neat. Best of all was the Guzzi V11 Sport for retro character, not that I'm biased!

But with the Ducati Sport Classics and proper sporting retro Guzzis (not the bloomin' V7 thing) no longer being made, how many interesting decent performance retros are there in the shops? Norton 961? Yamaha XJR1300? And this being a new engine I bet the development costs have to be recouped somehow, luckily that this market isn't as hotly contested as it used to be for price setting. [Did I read this bike has 12 valves? 3 inlet + 3 exhaust / cylinder. R&D costs must have been significant.]

I think the bike will be of interest for many. 81lbft of torque at 3500rpm is quite a torquey delivery, should be an interesting real world performance ride.

[Paulo]

I was always a disappointed with the 2000 onwards Hinckley Bonnevilles. The '59 onward machines were real mean machines for the everyman. The new Bonnevilles are super dull to ride and are hardly overly spritely. They are novice machines that have sold well due to their unthreatening/easy-to-get-on-with nature, but to more experience riders they lack guts and character. Without tuning at any rate! (and which many have done).

When the 1600 T'bird arrived I thought Triumph would do a shorter wheelbase, naked retro with it. It'd be like a MT-01 that looked pretty - 'The New Bonneville That Never Happened' (though I understand focus groups in the UK called for it).

I guess we can say this new bike is it, sort of. A pretty good halfway house, at any rate.

Discounting the new CB1100 (dull), GSX1400 (not retro enough), CB1300 (same), W800 (dull) the only vague Jappa contenders might be the XJR1300 for performance and $s-wise.
The 961 Commando is still prettier and a bit closer to the "real" thing, though (which isn't necessarily a positive, depending on which period of motorcycling you hail from). But is way more $s. In days gone by the old Ducati Sport Classics using the 1000DS motors were pretty neat. Best of all was the Guzzi V11 Sport for retro character, not that I'm biased!

But with the Ducati Sport Classics and proper sporting retro Guzzis (not the bloomin' V7 thing) no longer being made, how many interesting decent performance retros are there in the shops? Norton 961? Yamaha XJR1300? And this being a new engine I bet the development costs have to be recouped somehow, luckily that this market isn't as hotly contested as it used to be for price setting. [Did I read this bike has 12 valves? 3 inlet + 3 exhaust / cylinder. R&D costs must have been significant.]

I think the bike will be of interest for many. 81lbft of torque at 3500rpm is quite a torquey delivery, should be an interesting real world performance ride.

Guzzi have been taking a long siesta, all they needed to do was put the 8v griso motor in a tonti type frame (something with lemans style proportions ) and they would have an instant sales hit, instead they concentrate on ever more bloated cruisers for the yankee markert

ps love my V11 too.

oh and the Thruxton R looks good nice, plenty of torque.

[AllanB]

Nice point of view.

XJ1300 is not a retro - they just never stopped making them!

The XJ is not property in the custom market now - many brutal looking beasts being produced.

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Prices for T120 and T120 Black, and price and specs for Street Twin here.