So, I talked to 3rd-generation welfare dependants overnight about their problem

[Akzle]

They would if they didn't get a handout from the Govt.....

[caseye]

There would possibly be full employment if everyone only had to work 20-30 hrs a week but sadly the cost of living does not allow it. If people are displaced by automation there needs to be curbs on imigration/birthrate to ensure when they die they are not replaced in the population which does not happen, eg: recent news has suggested with the current rate of immigration unemployment will go up.

Lordy Lordy Einstein is among us!
Get back under your rock and stop calling nice people such bad names!

[Laava]

Sounds lile you were unhappy you had to pay your builders an award payrate and not the minimum wage!! Maybe only tight arses like yourself stopped building?

It is clear that you have absolutely no idea how much damage the carpenters union did to carpenters. When you force a company into liquidation by repeated strike action, knowing that they will fold, then it is surely no surprise that it is the workers themselves that miss out. No pay, no redundancy and no holiday pay. And do the carpenters union help support these out of work people? The only people who don't miss out are the union reps themselves. Bad times! That union will never exist again for that reason.

[jonbuoy]

Part of the problem is paying some people either the same or more on a benefit than what they would get working eg: your benefit goes up if you have an extra kid but try asking the boss for a payrise to support the extra kid and you will get laughed out the door. Another part of the problem has been the demise of compulsary unionism and award payrates with the min wage now becoming the award payrate for many. There is the other issue of the demise of many manufacturing industries due to cheap imports from China. Finally not many employers want to train people today irrespective of what qualifications a job seeker has got.

Unions crippled the UK economy and destroyed the car industry.

[sidecar bob]

Unions crippled the UK economy and destroyed the car industry.

That combined with drinking piss at lunchtime.

[Drew]

Tell me why do we need to get in people from Vanuatu and the Phillipnes etc to do jobs that are available to Kiwis?

But Kiwis won't do them.

I don't understand the question. People moving here and doing a job for less than a kiwi will do it, helps the economy in other ways.

The jobs are out there for people wiling to work. Upskilling in this country is very easy for those willing to do it, there is little excuse for not working.

[jasonu]

I still believe that beneficiaries should have to do some form of Community service, work etc. to the amount of whatever their payment is, divided by the Minimum wage.

Either that or compulsory piss tests before the free money is handed out.

[jasonu]

Im no mind reader you fucken idiot.

But you typed it like you knew it was true you fucking idiot.

[Akzle]

Either that or compulsory piss tests before the free money is handed out.

which achieves what?

[mashman]

According to the great gods of economics we do indeed have full employment.

[TheDemonLord]

which achieves what?

If you are on the Benefit, and have enough money left over for Alcohol - you are being paid too much and can have your benefit reduced.

[mashman]

Think of all the things that don't get done because we don't have a big enough workforce to do them. We are already paying them, so the expenditure isn't going to increase dramatically (obviously there would be some administrative and setup costs) and you are assuming that it would be full time - if Minimum wage is $10 (not saying it is, just using it for easy maths) and someone earns $100 a week on the dole, then they have to work an equivalent number of hours in as if they earnt that $100 after tax (so about 12 hours or so a week)

If they don't want to work, clearly they have too much money, or are getting income from other means, so their Dole can be cut, or removed.

The idea isn't perfect, but it would quickly put a stop to the attitude that you can get $$$ for nothing.

The workforce is plenty big enough. It's how they're "deployed" that's the problem. You're always going to be robbing Peter to pay Paul in a country that has a finite amount of $. It is almost unavoidable.

How are you going to enforce your "Work or be Punished" policy? Jail for non-compliance? ... and you're obviously ok with the social consequences coz you can afford to jail more people? Which in turn will mean more budget going into "security" and being sucked from healthcare or education etc... and you reckon the lesson to be learned will be "you can't get something for what society deems as contributing nothing"? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Chur bro.

[Jin]

which achieves what?

Being a bit defensive on this issue arnt you. Wonder why.

[mashman]

Lordy Lordy Einstein is among us!
Get back under your rock and stop calling nice people such bad names!

No, John Maynard Keynes:



"Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone."

[Jin]

If you are on the Benefit, and have enough money left over for Alcohol - you are being paid too much and can have your benefit reduced.

Except that could mean the babies get no nappies/kids no dinner so daddy can have his beer.