So, I talked to 3rd-generation welfare dependants overnight about their problem

[Akzle]

Awesome. No backsies. Objectibwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa

awesome.......ly shitty

https://awesomelyshitty.wordpress.co...he-lego-movie/


(that just happened to work so well when i generic internet searched it)

[Indiana_Jones]

[Akzle]

two more that were too hilarious not to forward

"woeful, forgettable and one of the
great film disappointments of this decade."
http://dialmformovies.net/2014/04/05...rrible-review/

" If your kids want to watch this,
make them watch it alone. If they ask why, tell them
because you don’t watch ignorant shit "
http://annoyedcritic.com/2014/05/01/...sucked-so-bad/

[TheDemonLord]

two more that were too hilarious not to forward

"woeful, forgettable and one of the
great film disappointments of this decade."
http://dialmformovies.net/2014/04/05...rrible-review/

" If your kids want to watch this,
make them watch it alone. If they ask why, tell them
because you don’t watch ignorant shit "
http://annoyedcritic.com/2014/05/01/...sucked-so-bad/

I shall retort with:

I enjoyed it thoroughly, therefore it was good.

[mashman]

So tell me this - how well did Protection Rackets work in the Mob Era? Because that is exactly what you are proposing, that we pay them a fee to stop them from being a pain. Such Payments have a funny habit of growing larger over time.....

Worked very well... and still works to this day. So you don't think the net economic benefit would be worth it? 100k to keep a guy in prison v's 5,200 to keep a guy put of prison. Money well spent I'd say... and I'm sorry, but inflation is a bitch as everything goes up. Credit where credit's due like .

Last year there were 17 countries with active conflicts where over 1,000 people were killed - there are 195 countries, me thinks your estimates are a little mis-informed (and that 17 countries is just the location, not including all combatants - if we include those, the number rises even higher)

Case in point - the UK army has been involved in Active conflicts almost nonstop in the 20th Century - but by all means, if it isn't predominant behaviour - can you point me to a society in history that never had these issues?

... how many of these people are being paid to fight? and what's the ratio of fighters as a percentage of the global population?

The army is a tiny percentage of the population.

Business owners employ people, The so-called 1%ers typically pay about 80% of a countries tax, they typically are the biggest donators and benefactors of Charities and the Arts (Guilty conscience and Tax right offs maybe?)

What has your Career Dole Blodger done for NZ society?

And are entitled to what more than "their" employees? You. An entitlement complex. I'd have never picked it.

They offset the inflationary effects of the 1%ers.

Can you then Clarify what you are referring to?

I'll pass on that one.

Well, thats a start - I don't think its robbery (despite the odd gripe) I choose to live in a society and enjoy the benefits of the first world, it is only fair that I pay the tax for the Luxury - that doesn't however mean I can't complain when the Tax is being misapropriated

Hang on. Earlier you said Stealing was Stealing, yet since, you have caveated yourself into a position where it's ok for some, but not for others over numerous posts. It's a sad day when common sense seems to die in one so young... and likely with so much to live for.

Yah kinda did:

The implication here is that Forcing Beneficiaries to do community service (to earn their Dole) will force as you say "someone actually looking for work in a marketplace" out of a job - the Dichotomy here is that you are saying you can either have people who want to work in a particular job and people who don't want to work bludging, or you can force the bludgers to work (and do a substandard job) at the expense of those who want to work.

I am saying that because funding is already being allocated to the dole there is little financial overhead to force them to work - and it needn't be for employment that would ordinarily be done by people in Paid work - plenty of good causes rely on Volunteer work - I'd accept them doing that too.

The premise doesn't reference life or Money - only that we have a minimum standard that we accept from our Govt for the services they provide - and this minimum standard is a constant. If the service falls below the minimum, we complain/vote/lobby to fairgo until it is brought up to acceptable standards.

Actually... I can't be arsed from here. Have fun fighting with yourself and what you think I mean.

[mashman]

awesome.......ly shitty

https://awesomelyshitty.wordpress.co...he-lego-movie/


(that just happened to work so well when i generic internet searched it)

I said no backsies... may be ya shoulda searchded that first.

[bogan]

Worked very well... and still works to this day. So you don't think the net economic benefit would be worth it? 100k to keep a guy in prison v's 5,200 to keep a guy put of prison.

That'd be 100k to keep a guy in prison and keep another 100 out of prison; double whammy like. Not that you should be so quick to judge, your system relies on the gulag to hold dissenters anyway.

[TheDemonLord]

Worked very well... and still works to this day. So you don't think the net economic benefit would be worth it? 100k to keep a guy in prison v's 5,200 to keep a guy put of prison. Money well spent I'd say... and I'm sorry, but inflation is a bitch as everything goes up. Credit where credit's due like .

You forget - it may cost 100K to keep someone in prison and it may cost $5,200 to keep them out of prison, but a .22 rimfire round and a .22 rifle and a Cremation can cost around $2.5k - and best of all, its a one off cost.

... how many of these people are being paid to fight? and what's the ratio of fighters as a percentage of the global population?

The army is a tiny percentage of the population.

Considering most of the conflicts are civil wars, by rival warlords/rebel factions - very few are being paid to fight

Interesting video referencing the subject of Genetic Hardwiring:

And are entitled to what more than "their" employees? You. An entitlement complex. I'd have never picked it.

They took the risk, so theirs is also the reward (or theirs and their Investors, not the workers)

Hang on. Earlier you said Stealing was Stealing, yet since, you have caveated yourself into a position where it's ok for some, but not for others over numerous posts. It's a sad day when common sense seems to die in one so young... and likely with so much to live for.

Stealing IS Stealing - however consider this - if a top Cancer researcher had to do a Bank job to get the funding to continue research, Research that ultimately cures all Cancers.

Was Stealing wrong? According the letter of the Law - absolutely, but was it ok for that Researcher? I pose to you that sometimes the net benefit to society is enough for society to turn a blind eye - who decides whether the net benefit is sufficient - thats a much more complex question. Some will take the absolute high road that it was wrong, or argue on the principle of the matter,

Me - I'd say that the net benefit to society outweighs any cost of the theft

Actually... I can't be arsed from here. Have fun fighting with yourself and what you think I mean.

Well, its one way of getting Intelligent discussion around here

[mashman]

That'd be 100k to keep a guy in prison and keep another 100 out of prison; double whammy like. Not that you should be so quick to judge, your system relies on the gulag to hold dissenters anyway.

"My" system has nothing to do with Hungarian food.

[bogan]

"My" system has nothing to do with Hungarian food.

We know, lack of choice/freedom is common to communistic dictatorships (and those by any other name).

[mashman]

You forget - it may cost 100K to keep someone in prison and it may cost $5,200 to keep them out of prison, but a .22 rimfire round and a .22 rifle and a Cremation can cost around $2.5k - and best of all, its a one off cost.

Great idea. Shoot a few billionaires and we might be able to get some money flowing through the economy. Even at that I can't bring myself to condemn someone to death for just being rich.

Considering most of the conflicts are civil wars, by rival warlords/rebel factions - very few are being paid to fight

Interesting video referencing the subject of Genetic Hardwiring:

Sorry, you still haven't backed up your assertion that more than 0.1% of the global population are fighting... and yet you want seem to be pointing me the way of a movie that says that we do because it's genetic?

They took the risk, so theirs is also the reward (or theirs and their Investors, not the workers)

. You're a caveman.

Stealing IS Stealing - however consider this - if a top Cancer researcher had to do a Bank job to get the funding to continue research, Research that ultimately cures all Cancers.

Was Stealing wrong? According the letter of the Law - absolutely, but was it ok for that Researcher? I pose to you that sometimes the net benefit to society is enough for society to turn a blind eye - who decides whether the net benefit is sufficient - thats a much more complex question. Some will take the absolute high road that it was wrong, or argue on the principle of the matter,

Me - I'd say that the net benefit to society outweighs any cost of the theft

I can see it now: "You're going to jail researcher.". "But my Research can change the world". "Ok then, you can go". Do you have any worse examples?

Well, its one way of getting Intelligent discussion around here

I see your problem.

[TheDemonLord]

Great idea. Shoot a few billionaires and we might be able to get some money flowing through the economy. Even at that I can't bring myself to condemn someone to death for just being rich.

Maybe there are a few billionaires who could warrant a Bullet, only after all the Dole Bludgers who refuse to work to earn their Dole have been dealt with

Sorry, you still haven't backed up your assertion that more than 0.1% of the global population are fighting... and yet you want seem to be pointing me the way of a movie that says that we do because it's genetic?

I have no more backed up my Assertion than you have backed up yours - however a quick look at the violent crime stats for a selection of countries and then extrapolating those out - yeah, I would say it is much bigger than 0.1 % - as some quick maths for NZ (with our relatively low crime rates when compared to say SA) - it works out to about 4.5% - but that is only for recorded crime (so not including all the supposed unreported crime - which for some violent crimes is estimated as high as 50%)

You got a civilization in history that didn't display these behaviours as proof yet?

. You're a caveman.

If I risk my house and my livelyhood to start a business and through my leadership the business is succesful, why shouldn't I reap the rewards? Did my Employees mortgage their house to fund the business? Did they take any personal or financial risk to startup the Business?

I can see it now: "You're going to jail researcher.". "But my Research can change the world". "Ok then, you can go". Do you have any worse examples?

Salus populi suprema lex esto
quod est necessarium est licitum

I see your problem.

Perspective is a funny old thing

[Akzle]

I shall retort with:

I enjoyed it thoroughly, therefore it was good.

wouuldnt be the first time your wrong

[TheDemonLord]

wouuldnt be the first time your wrong

Well, tonight I will go home and enjoy the Lego Movie, since I enjoy it - I am right when I say it is good.

And therefore you would be wrong to say I am wrong.

[jasonu]

It was supersweet.

Poofter....