So, I talked to 3rd-generation welfare dependants overnight about their problem

[scumdog]

Shared understanding does not equate to a shared conclusion. It just means I know what your scheme entails, and I find it severely lacking; so much so that I've been able to change it just by asking loaded questions

Yep, something I too was aware of some time ago!

[mashman]

Shared understanding does not equate to a shared conclusion. It just means I know what your scheme entails, and I find it severely lacking; so much so that I've been able to change it just by asking loaded questions

I never said it did. Yet have repeatedly proven that you don't know what it entails (see previous sentence). You may think of it as you like. It makes no odds to me, coz you're doing your own thinking, not me.... thank fuck

[mashman]

Yep, something I too was aware of some time ago!

How's your belief/trust in NZ these days officer?

[bogan]

I never said it did. Yet have repeatedly proven that you don't know what it entails (see previous sentence). You may think of it as you like. It makes no odds to me, coz you're doing your own thinking, not me.... thank fuck

: back to that old cop out eh mashy, so predictable. You know what else is predicatble, the repeated failure of these NOW and Money Free Parties, let me know when one actually gets on the ballot; I mean for fucks sake, I just got a ballot with all manner of shit options, if you can't even get ahead of those

[FJRider]

... It makes no odds to me, coz you're doing your own thinking, not me.... thank fuck

Who does YOUR thinking for you .. ???

[mashman]

: back to that old cop out eh mashy, so predictable. You know what else is predicatble, the repeated failure of these NOW and Money Free Parties, let me know when one actually gets on the ballot; I mean for fucks sake, I just got a ballot with all manner of shit options, if you can't even get ahead of those

Will do.

Who does YOUR thinking for you .. ???

My missus.

[TheDemonLord]

So fucking what? That isn't the only way it happens. It may be the predominant way, which is hardly surprising given the circumstances people find themselves in, but belittling people for not following that formulae is pretty pathetic.

Not the only way - but it is the most common and more importantly, the most effective way - I see you haven't disproved that....

- Violent tendencies are entirely environmental.

Then why are they universal amongst all human cultures regardless of Environment?

- You have a problem with me using your methodology? I didn't think you'd like it.

Absolutely not - it proved my point entirely.

Aside: If that's true, it's likely because the unpaid are the ones defending themselves.

True - if you ask both sides in any war, Both will say they are defending themselves.

Alpha male? Have you read what you're posting. I'm first to mate with my wife, I choose to feed first who I choose to feed, I have the right to mate with other females, I can increase my social standing, I have the right to lead any pack that chooses to follow. I'm not an Alpha Male. Are you going to stop being an moron and keep it to humans?

The point, you missed it entirely. Let me spell it out - in Nature there is the concept of Risk and Reward, this is demonstrable by watching the interaction of any social Mammal (of which Humans are a part of) - you are saying that this is entitlement - so I ask again - is the Male Lion suffering from Entitlement?

OMG, we are born with faces that show expression in reaction to stimuli? They don't all scream when you drop them.

You are so close, its not the fact they show A reaction to Stimuli, it is the fact that they all show a UNIVERSAL reaction to specific Stimuli - even the ones that cannot copy or imitate the reaction they are supposed to show. Therefore Smiling is not a Learned behavior but something that is an evolutionary characteristic. This means that there are facets of Human behavior and interaction that are purely evolutionary (the point you are so desperately trying to refute)

The desire to win is learned behaviour. All language is learned. Next, please Lord Next.

Then why is the Desire to win universal to all humans? Afterall - you are still arguing with me - in a desire to Win, even though winning results in little to no benefit to you - except for that wonderful Evolutionary Reward for it.

Scientific evidence? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... you've denied occam every step of the way in your defense of someone else's science. Zealotry by any other name, oh ironing. You have no evidence.

Anthropological evidence based on work done with Mammals (that part about the Prairie voles and how their mating behavior was determined by where the receptors were located in their brains
History (that thing you always love to ignore)
Social experiments (including experiments about Humans and heirachy - the Milgram experiment)
Universal societal attributes/rituals/facets/rites observed between human cultures that have had no prior contact

All you have is Faith and Belief.

Oh and on that note - all the things you point to as being 'evidence' that humans are good natured is ironically the learned behavior of Society: social consequences for behavior deemed unacceptable by society, use of means other than Violence to solve problems - All Learned behavior. There is a simply experiment you can do to prove this:

Ask any Parent- did they have to teach their child to hit/be violent towards other children or did they have to teach their child not to hit/be violent towards other children.

Let me know your results - I'll bet that no parent ever taught their child to hit another child or be Violent towards another child - but all parents have had to discipline their children for hitting/being violent towards another child.

Thing is, my belief in R.B.E. working is underpinned by the fact that the entire population will have been Indoctrinated as to what was trying to be achieved. Even if there were such a thing as human nature, and it existed in this very second, there's still a rationale thinking human being that goes along side that nature, and that rational human being is already figuring out that R.B.E. is the way to go.

There - I've fixed it for you - and that worked reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal well in Russia, North Korea, etc.

As an aside: did you know that there's a Dark Agenda for Resource Based Economies that is supposed to have started in the 30's (ish) and is modern day Technocracy? Essentially they say it's slavery by science.

Supposed aye? it makes the below retort even more sweeter:

Then truth never is good enough for you is it.

When you got proof that what you are peddling is true, then it will be good enough for me - but as above, all you have is 'Supposed' and a Denial of various facets of Evolutionary Biology.

[Akzle]

Then why is the Desire to win universal to all humans? Afterall - you are still arguing with me - in a desire to Win, even though winning results in little to no benefit to you - except for that wonderful Evolutionary Reward for it.

i gave up "arguing"* with you.

What do i win?



*i say tomato, you say we need a shared definition of mongolian alpine flora.

Do you often find yourself writing things on the wall in your own shit?

[scumdog]

How's your belief/trust in NZ these days officer?

Fuckin' great - if I can go from unemployed (through redundancy) to where I am now there's hope for others in a similar situation.

Unless they're lazy-arse criminal types that have big biceps from holding their hands out that just want to leech off others and have no ambition...

[TheDemonLord]

i gave up "arguing"* with you.

What do i win?

*i say tomato, you say we need a shared definition of mongolian alpine flora.

Do you often find yourself writing things on the wall in your own shit?

You win a joint*







*so long as you pay for it, roll it and light it yourself.

I prefer to write on other people's walls in my Shit - my Shit is rather smelly atm.

[Akzle]

I prefer to write on other people's walls in my Shit - my Shit is rather smelly atm.

you're full of enough to go 'round

[TheDemonLord]

you're full of enough to go 'round

Not really, I just had a good solid bowel movement.

[Madness]

I just had a good solid bowel movement.

So did your mother.

[mashman]

All you have is Faith and Belief.

Fortunately mashman had grabbed his monkey shit proof jacket as he stepped onto the internet that evening. It was chucking it down.

Shamubeel Eaqub, NZ Economist, said something along the lines of "Money runs on nothing more than confidence. It's economics 101.".

All of your argumentz iz moot!

[mashman]

Fuckin' great - if I can go from unemployed (through redundancy) to where I am now there's hope for others in a similar situation.

Unless they're lazy-arse criminal types that have big biceps from holding their hands out that just want to leech off others and have no ambition...

Too true. I went even further than you did.

Awwwwwww bless. Bet you're butch yourself .