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[mashman]

Your post entirely presupposes that NOW will fix the issue - I'll skip the lengthy argument and reply with - it won't because reasons*.

That said - Brett has hit the nail so very squarely on the head.



*most of those reasons being humans.

I'm not saying that NOW will fix anything. I can see quite easily though that it would setup an environment that would better allow for us to address the issues as outlined by Brett.

Humans got us into this mess... t'would be fuckin idiotic to think that they wouldn't be able to get us out of it too. Then again, you'd have to trust people and you don't seem to have it in you.

[iYRe]

A few weeks ago the news reported that the govt wanted to spend $30B over the next 15 years to try and stop global warming. I bet if that happens due to the cost coming from us taxpayers NZ will grind to an economic halt. When I got approached by Greenpeace some years back I simply said I was not interested in saving the planet and they looked back in shock. About a year ago I got approached by a Climate Change Protestor and said the problem with what you want is you want all oil and coal to be left in the ground and he said no we dont but when I asked him what they do want to do as an alternative he had no answer. They are nothing but deluded fools in my opinion.

I concur, and it wont be just NZ. Then the UN will be asked to help, and who ever s=is in control of the UN, will.. well.. be in control

[flyingcrocodile46]

So nice to see someone who actually understands the science enough to see the woods through the trees. Particularly the ones who are prepared to speak out publicly. Thank you for doing so.

For the record, I am as concerned as anyone about the effects we have on our planet and am happy enough to do what needs to be done in order to address those issues (The most serious of which appear to have been sidelined by the climate change sham). But I refuse to be one of the (seemingly) 90% of gullible twats that blindly accept everything the UN (and many others) say without any attempt to fact check the views of those (that the UN & others) labelled as 'Climate change deniers'.


FFS the label 'Climate change deniers' itself should be enough to clue up anyone with any semblance of sense. What is there to deny when the climate changes daily? Nothing obviously. Therefore the assigned label is propagated only to serve as a way of discrediting those who disagree. It's a self serving name that categorises anyone who argues against even the most basic and irrelevant distorted fact, as a liar or a fool (because everyone knows that the climate changes). This is just one of the thousands of ways that these dishonest cunts stack the deck to make lazy non-thinking sheep carry on believing the twaddle they spout instead of being alarmed enough to actually start thinking and questioning that twaddle.

Maybe "Climate change" or "man-made global warming" is indeed a load of bollocks. Let's put that to the side for now. Let's consider all of the OTHER ways that we are fucking the earth:

1) Plastic. Go to many large cities around the world and you will see plastic bags blowing around everywhere and old plastic bottles littered like stones. The ocean has FUCKING ISLANDS made out of plastic waste and we have various animal species dying from consuming plastic, becoming trapped in plastic etc. Plastic takes a very long time to break down organically, however breaks down into small particles rather quickly. We now have entire eco-systems and bio-chains that are "contaminated" with plastic particles.

2) Oil. We have entire chunks of certain third world nations that are devastated by oil contamination. In part due to accidents and leaks from oil extraction and conveyance equipment (leaking pipes etc) and from "criminal" activity where organised crime or in some cases poor locals are tapping into the oil pipes and creating massive messes. We have regular oil spills that decimate areas of coastline.

3) Contaminants from industrial processes. Toxins, heavy metals etc. that are not properly treated or captures and make their way into our ecosystem.

3) Mining. Brazil Samarco damn. Case in point. We have ruthless operators who focus only on their profitability and couldn't care less for the externalities that are pushed onto others. In this one instance (and there are MANY MANY MANY instances) there is the loss of life, the contamination of a HUGE tract of land and the contamination of the ocean with toxins and heavy metals.

4) Ocean resource consumption. We pillage our oceans for seafood. We fish unsustainably, in many instances the methods for the fishing have negative implications for the wider environment - seabeds getting fucked up, by-catch issues, reefs being mowed over.

5) Wildlife - so many species under threat that it would take me more time than I have to list them. Fueled by deforestation, traditional medicine trades, pet trades and poor agricultural practices. We will shortly lose several animal species that we are only just beginning to understand. Google search spindle cells and the research as it pertains to elephants, oceanic mammals, dogs, whales, dolphins. Fucking amazing, and we have only just begun to understand the depth of this.

6) Habitat destruction. In our drive to create resources such as palm oil or land for other forms of farming, we are mowing down huge areas of virgin land, irreversibly destroying huge amounts of flora and fauna. It is highly likely that we have made extinct species of creatures that we have not even discovered yet! Reefs which are home to huge numbers of our oceanic wildlife.

I could go on and on and on.

The stuff above makes me sound like a raging hippie. I am not. I am a capitalist businessman but also someone who loves our natural world and cares for protecting what we have on the only known life-sustaining planet in our known Universe. I believe that a balance can be struck between developing our living standards and improving our social wellbeing while also protecting that which is MOST valuable to us. Much of what we do cannot be undone.\

So yeah, maybe man-made climate change is a farce. Maybe it isn't. Regardless, we have reached (or passed) a point a no-return where we are doing irreversible damage to our world and we need to stop with the utmost expediency.

Yup! Like I said, they have used this farce to hijack attention away from the very real issues. Issues that we actually can do something about. We certainly can't change the fucking climate. Suckering us with this CO2 garbage is simply a distraction to keep us busy focusing on something that serves to pacify our desire to do better by our planet. All done without actually focusing on the tangible things that can be changed (at great cost to the industries who are making the biggest real mess). .... AND while they are fucking us in the arse (polluting our world and sucking money out of us for the by products that we use) laughing at us, they now want to fuck us in the mouth by MAKING US PAY EVEN MORE FOR THE PRIVILEGE of pretending that something positive is going to be done about it.

Jim Steele was the Director of the Sierra Nevada Field Campus of San Francisco State University from 1985 to 2009. Having taught courses on plants, natural sciences, bird banding and bird identification, his research into the causes of the declines in local bird populations led him to the understanding that natural climate cycles and landscape changes were causing disruptions of wildlife populations. He went on to author a book, Landscapes & Cycles: An Environmentalist’s Journey to Climate Skepticism, and a website, LandscapesAndCycles.net where he explores how faulty, over-hyped C02-driven climate change fears are misdirecting environmental researchers and activists away from the true cause of environmental disruption. SHOW NOTES
Landscapes & Cycles: An Environmentalist’s Journey to Climate Skepticism
LandscapesAndCycles.net
Fabricating Climate Doom: Hijacking Conservation Success in the UK to Build Consensus
Reasons to Petition Congress to Investigate USGS Polar Bear Models
No Consensus On Antarctic Climate Change

Hey Spamn! You keep waffling on accusing the credible scientists who debunk the cLIEmate data such as your 97% bullshit claim (that the authors themselves now admit was a biased sham and which you seem to refuse to accept ) of being "Pseudo-scientists". Time for you to be educated as to the real meaning of the term, from 'Karl Popper' (the man who first coined the term back in the late 60's).

Prepare to be shocked as you watch and learn how your use of the term is as big a corruption as those which your heroes (the real "Pseudo-scientists") make when they falsify the data that you so haplessly suck up as fact.

Karl Popper famously said, “A theory that explains everything explains nothing.” So what do you make of the theory that catastrophic manmade CO2-driven “climate change” can account for harsher winters and lighter winters, more snow and less snow, droughts and floods, more hurricanes and less hurricanes, more rain and less rain, more malaria and less malaria, saltier seas and less salty seas, Antarctica ice melting and Antarctic ice gaining and dozens of other contradictions? Popper gave a name to “theories” like this: pseudoscience.

SHOW NOTES FOR FACT CHECKING
Climate change makes for shorter winters

Climate change makes for harsher winters
Climate change means less snow
Climate change means more snow
Climate change causes droughts in California
Climate change causes floods in Texas and Oklahoma
Climate change makes wet places wetter and dry places drier…
…except when it makes wet places dryer…
…and dry places wetter
Climate change causes more hurricanes
Climate change causes less hurricanes
Climate change causes more rain (but less water)
Climate change causes less rain
Climate change decreases the spread of malaria
Climate change increases the spread of malaria
Climate change makes San Francisco foggier
Climate change makes San Francisco less foggy
Climate change causes duller autumn leaves
Climate changes causes more colourful autumn leaves
Climate change makes for less salty seas
Climate change makes for saltier seas
Climate change causes Antarctica to lose land ice
Climate change causes Antarctica to gain land ice
Climate change makes the earth hotter…
…unless the earth isn’t getting hotter…
…in which case climate change can explain that, too.
Science as Falsification

[yokel]

No one is saying we dont need to care for the planet, and undo the damage human's do.. deforestation for example, or finding alternate fuels etc, however, stealing money off people on a planetary scale for a non existent "issue" is horrific.

Greenpeace came and asked me for money, and I asked them if the money I gave would be used for reforestation, saving endangered species, etc. They said "no, currently all our resources are going into climate change".
And so I said, can I give you money and specify what it is to be used for.. they said no. So I said no money for you then.

It's a scam, run by criminals, and they need to be stopped, and prosecuted. You cant just ignore it, they are stealing BILLIONS already, and it will become more. Eventually it will cost so much that no one will be able to pay... imagine what will happen then.

Yes the whole environmental movement has been neutered by this scam, all the useful idiots think they're doing what right for the planet.

Now all the corporations get to feed off government grants and subsidies.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm not saying that NOW will fix anything. I can see quite easily though that it would setup an environment that would better allow for us to address the issues as outlined by Brett.

Humans got us into this mess... t'would be fuckin idiotic to think that they wouldn't be able to get us out of it too. Then again, you'd have to trust people and you don't seem to have it in you.

"A" mess...

[yokel]

9 billion euros down the shitter

[Voltaire]

Is climate change the planets way of saying " Fuck off"

[iYRe]

Is climate change the planets way of saying " Fuck off"

umm, no.. its on the rag.

[Voltaire]

umm, no.. its on the rag.

sniff of an oily rag

[TheDemonLord]

Then again, you'd have to trust people and you don't seem to have it in you.

Would that be like how you trust the Government, Aye Mashman?

[mashman]

"A" mess...

Same people involved, same mess... and a resolution but a mere decision away .

Would that be like how you trust the Government, Aye Mashman?

Hence why I don't vote numbnutz. Bet you vote Tell you what though. Let's get extreme and say that if the right or left propose RBE as their policy going forward, I will trust them enough to give them my vote. Can you tell what it is yet?

[TheDemonLord]

Hence why I don't vote numbnutz. Bet you vote Tell you what though. Let's get extreme and say that if the right or left propose RBE as their policy going forward, I will trust them enough to give them my vote. Can you tell what it is yet?

I don't vote either* - shows how what you think you know of me and what you actually know are two separate magisteria.




*The right to vote however is sacred - my choice not to vote is based on the lack of true leaders in the current political climate and fundamental disagreements with both the Right and Left - but that is a separate discussion.

[mashman]

I don't vote either* - shows how what you think you know of me and what you actually know are two separate magisteria.

*The right to vote however is sacred - my choice not to vote is based on the lack of true leaders in the current political climate and fundamental disagreements with both the Right and Left - but that is a separate discussion.

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No discussion there. I agree

[yokel]

The political angle.

[seattle smitty]

Climate change deniers might consider organizing their "reputable scientific experts" to pay a visit to the strategic planning labs of the United States Navy, where very serious men are war-gaming potential military confrontations likely to occur as the arctic seas become ever more ice-free. If not the U.S. Navy, try selling your fantasies to the Royal Navy, any of the Scandanavian navies, the Chinese navy, or the Russian navy. After the officers and scientists there stop rolling their eyes, you will be politely escorted off the property. The Russians might be a little less polite; year-around access to their arctic ports has always been a dream, and is now becoming reality.

After you deniers all get back in your cars, you could then drive to the offices of various oil companies which, even while the price of their commodity is currently very low, are planning where they will try to stake claims to undersea drilling sites in the arctic as those open up (and as prices go up again), and also figuring how they can get their govenments to provide them with some free naval muscle. Again, in the usual way normal adults handle lunatics, they will be all smiles as they gently ease you out the door.

Finally, you might try visiting the biggest overseas shipping companies in China, where oceanographers and climatologists and marine architects and professional seamen are deciding how they can best take advantage of that old dream of a Northwest Passage, which is near to being a practical reality.

The Chinese shippers might not waste a lot of time or smiles on you, once they have puzzled out what the hell you are talking about. But whatever you do after seeing them, do not try dropping in on any university's glaciology department. The glaciologists are watching their careers melt away before their eyes, and if they find out who you are, you could suffer a very aggravated ass-kicking as you beat your retreat.

No, better you stay with talking about your "evidence" to others with similarly reputable evidence . . . for their personal alien encounters, their "research" on Nessie/Bigfoot/Yeti, their 9/11 Jewish conspiracies, their new "findings" about the Bermuda Triangle, their disclosures of the SECRET POWER (!!!) of the world-controlling Rothschilds/Illuminati/Bilderberg/Masons, oh, and their affirmation of the never-happens predictions of Nostradamus, the Mayan calendar, and all the fundamentalist Bible (and Koran) thumpers ranting about the End-of-Days being imminent (or so they have been telling us . . . for 2000 years now).

After all, one or two scientifically-educated cranks have been found in support of every one of those knuckle-headed notions listed above.

And meanwhile, it appears that in my country maybe two-thirds of the official candidates for the highest political office in the land have pronounced themselves doubtful about the phenomenon of species evolution by natural selection, preferring faith-based science, faith-based economics, faith-based foreign policy. With results that have been disastrous already.