Just a Theory

[manuboy]

Just found out a friend of mine has hed their home theatre system nicked. Said person (person X) owned said item for a term less than 9 days. This is the 2nd time X's dwelling has been forcibly entered and had hard earned posessions pillaged.

X lives in an area of christchurch often described as a high crime area (take your fricken pick), and is surrounded by neighbours you wouldn't want turning up to your open home unless you wanted them wandering off with a mental floor plan and a method of entry devised less than 40 seconds after they leave the section.

So the stubby finger of blame is currently pointed at the unemployed constantly alcohol soaked waste of space louts person X calls neighbours. And it could have been. Easy enough to see a couple of new boxes getting carted into a house.

I'm not much into the "crim scene". But last year when my xbox went the way of the "qik flick for a qik p hit", i started wondering. Whats to say you walk into a video store and hire a game. The dude behind the counter notes the rental, and later looks up all your details. Sweet. You're on the list. You will be receiving a visit.

My mate buys a new home entertainment system and bang, the shop salesperson whacks them on the list.

I mentioned this in the office today and people thought i was crazy. Why? It doesn't seem that far out. You are relying on and trusting in a range of people to keep your details to themselves. No doubt there'd be a whole bunch of policies regarding this in the workplace if you had access to valuable information, but hey! It's really only cutting out the middle man for your average thief. Why break and enter chancing what you'll find, when you can target homes knowing exactly what you'll get.

Person X is now wondering the same thing i am, and is probably not going the replace the items on insurance until a security system is sussed.

Which raises a Q for me. Anybody here that has a relatively informed opinion can you tell me... security systems. Some better than others. But the majority of the time, they go off in our area so often everybody ignores them. The monitoring people normally take 20-25 minutes to arrive, ample time to clear out with the goods. I'm in favour of a dog. We have one. Hes getting to a good size now, and he's got a pretty impressive bark. We leave him in the front room where he gazes out to the driveway until we come home. He's already bailed up one visitor (about 1 month after my xbox went missing.... insurance check anyone??). Whats better...an expensive alarm or a walking barking deterrent? ( and a best mate to boot :-) )

[James Deuce]

That happened to me and half a dozen workmates in 1990. The then Manager at Noel Leeming's in the Hutt went to jail. The house got cleaned out twice and the car once, all within 6 weeks.

There is nothing you can do to secure your house.

The monitoring people deliberately turn up after that time limit to avoid a potential assault charge from the perp. I have friends at Chubb.

The dog is good for amateur thieves, but a pro will bring meat, a crossbow, or a big lump of wood if he's cased the place properly.

Just pay your insurance premiums.

[ManDownUnder]

A little of both.

Something we did was get the Insurance Co to recommend an alarm system to us (and we got a 30% discount as part of the process...).

It's good for you AND good for the Ins. Co.

Chances are the bod that nicked the gear the first time, was the one that came back for the new stuff. It's common practice as they can case the joint while they're in htere first time up, then come back after 6 weeks or so when they know the new stuff will have been delivered.

Get a big dog and train it to eat human testicles...

[Sniper]

It makes sense manuboy. It makes perfect sense and Im sure there are people who do that.

[manuboy]

That happened to me and half a dozen workmates in 1990. The then Manager at Noel Leeming's in the Hutt went to jail. The house got cleaned out twice and the car once, all within 6 weeks.

There is nothing you can do to secure your house.

The monitoring people deliberately turn up after that time limit to avoid a potential assault charge from the perp. I have friends at Chubb.

The dog is good for amateur thieves, but a pro will bring meat, a crossbow, or a big lump of wood if he's cased the place properly.

Just pay your insurance premiums.

So were you pretty pissed at the time, or did you just decide it wasn't worth the anger once it had happened again (and again)? X was angry the first time, more resigned this time... which is probably the sad thing...

Get a big dog and train it to eat human testicles...

LMAO... yeah, but we all know these days the crim would end up with a taxpayer funded holiday in a private hospital with better feeds than i get, my dog would be shot and i'd be had up... i only want the dog to deter (then run away - i could handle my shit getting nicked by some loser, but not my dog getting brained)

[ManDownUnder]

LMAO... yeah, but we all know these days the crim would end up with a taxpayer funded holiday in a private hospital with better feeds than i get, my dog would be shot and i'd be had up... i only want the dog to deter (then run away - i could handle my shit getting nicked by some loser, but not my dog getting brained)

But the knowledge that his balls were now dogshit would be woirth it I think... I'd find it, scoop it up and fertilise a tree with it just so I could point at it and tell him - a bit of that wood is made from your balls

A permanent reminder of sorts...

(not that I'm sadistic at all).

Maybe you could take a photo of the tree and post it to him... every month or so

[jrandom]

solution.

dangle the bait in the usual fashion. big cardboard boxes from a noel leeming delivery truck or something. whatever gets the natives drooling.

curtains open all night, lights off. doss down in kitchen with firearm of choice.

word will soon get aorund.

[manuboy]

solution.

dangle the bait in the usual fashion. big cardboard boxes from a noel leeming delivery truck or something. whatever gets the natives drooling.

curtains open all night, lights off. doss down in kitchen with firearm of choice.

word will soon get aorund.

Yeah i've thought of that. Most people that arrive home to find their drawers on the floor and shit lying everywhere - apart from the stuff that would be lying somewhere if it wasn't already on a shelf at StolenGoods-R-Us have probably thought of that... it's not a hard solution to come up with - the solution to the problem that arrises from that solution is the one thats harder to solut-a-rise.

i.e. when the lads arrive they arrest the crims for - i dunno, criminal behaviour in general, then they arrest you for any number of reasons... i say that because i don't know what they would be but i bet they exist and that there'd be more than one of them... especially if said weapon was unlicensed.

My favourite untested / untried solution? (WINJA MODE)

TAKE THE CRIMS, AND SUB THEM FOR SOME LUCKY ANIMAL DOWN AT THE TESTING LAB. HEY LABRADOR PUPPY, YOU ARE NOW HOME FREE. CRIM #1, HERE'S A SHOT OF A NICE STRAIN OF EXPERIMENTAL __INSERT DISEASE HERE__. YOU CAN EXPECT ABOUT TWELVE DAYS OF EXTREME PAIN / LOSS OF SITE AND BOWEL CONTROL. BUT THEN IT'll ALL GO AWAY. ENJOY!

Problem being i guess the same as the death penalty - a real crapper if you got the wrong guy.

Anyway, i didn't wanna harp on about the general criminal justice system, just wondered about organised breakins as a result of a purchase really.

[James Deuce]

So were you pretty pissed at the time, or did you just decide it wasn't worth the anger once it had happened again (and again)? X was angry the first time, more resigned this time... which is probably the sad thing...

(snip)

It wasn't worth any anger. It was just material possessions. I was sad when I got home and found it the first time, rather than angry.

Rang the cops for the first time ever and it took them 3 days to turn up after instructing me not to touch anything. The next two times I just got them to log the burglary and countersign the insurance claim. We put two and two together when we told people about it and found people in the same area who had HPs with the same branch of NL had been relieved of their possessions in similar fashion.

The only economic value your possessions have is in premiums to your Insurance company. The personal pleasure gained from them is incalculable, and why people would knowingly choose to hurt people like that is mystifying. Try stealing a mobile P lab some time and see how quickly you're hunted down.

[manuboy]

The only economic value your possessions have is in premiums to your Insurance company. The personal pleasure gained from them is incalculable, and why people would knowingly choose to hurt people like that is mystifying. Try stealing a mobile P lab some time and see how quickly you're hunted down.

Well, its just a guess, but i reckon it's because to us our posessions (to a point) have an intrinsic personal value.

To a runty little thief, you have, he doesn't.

I'm just guessing tho. I took the semi easy path and just got your basic ol 40 hour a week slavery-for-cash deal. It must be hard when life has dealt you some rough cards so instead of signing up for that, you opt out and take what isn't yours while invading others privacy in the worst sort of way - i mean, the guilt must really eat them up....

They have mobile P-labs? Excellent! How mobile?!? Like, you couldn't do a runner in one right?

"Yeah don't worry mate, if the cops turn up we've got K&N filters, nitrous and a 6 speed box..."

[WINJA]

I LIKE WHAT THAT JUDGE IN AMERICA DOES , AS REPERATION THE VICTIM GETS TO GO THRU THE CRIMS HOUSE AND PICK OUT WHAT HE WANTS TO 2 OR 3 TIMES THE VALUE THEY HAD KNICKED AND NO POSSECIONS OF THE CRIMS ARE SACRED , ID HAVE HIS PHOTO ALBUM AND SHIT ALL OVER HIS FAMILY PICS THEN WIPE MY ARSE WITH HIS MUMS PHOTO, ID HAVE HIS PASSPORT AND BURN THAT , CAUSE HIS CDS WOULD ALL BE GANGSTER RAP ID JUST SNAP THEM ALL SAME WITH HIS DVDS , IF HE HAS KIDS ID GET ALL THAT SPECIAL UNREPLACEABLE ART THAT KIDS GIVE THEIR DAD AND BURN IT , SAME WITH ALL HIS CHRISTMAS AND BIRTHDAY CARDS BURN THEM, ID HAVE HIS WEDDING BAND AND ALL HIS TROPHYS AND CERTIFICATES .ADD UP ALL THE STUFF ABOVE AND THE DOLLAR VALUE IS VERY LOW BUT FUCK IT WOULD HURT, THEN ID MOVE ONTO THINGS I WANNA KEEP.
APPARENTLY THE REPEAT OFFENDING WHEN THE JUDGE HANDS DOWN THIS SENTENCE IS ALMOST NONE

[myvice]

A prominent sign with small writhing that states;
"Thank you, your digital image has been sent to a remote server"
Paranoia is a wonderful tool.

[James Deuce]

A prominent sign with small writhing that states;
"Thank you, your digital image has been sent to a remote server"
Paranoia is a wonderful tool.

You're assuming literate burglars. I can say with some confidence that a number of recidivist burglars are not literate and have no desire to be. Nor are the lot that I'm thinking of particularly technology savvy.

[Storm]

Where do we sign the petition for that particular sentence to be brought in?

[myvice]

You're assuming literate burglars. I can say with some confidence that a number of recidivist burglars are not literate and have no desire to be. Nor are the lot that I'm thinking of particularly technology savvy.

Big, angery dog!
Or WINJA!