Climate Change Poll

[eldog]

when you say we is it us here in kiwi land or those other cunts .....city in China...we went past on a cruise up to the 3 Gorges dam......

I had a similar view (not as bad) in Guaungzhou - Pearl River a few years back.
The River is another story. Parts of this region are only now catching up on the rapid growth.
Kiwis really have no idea about how people live in HK/China

I saw extremes of how people live only metres away from each other. Life can be brutal. Saw the aftermath of slow speed mbike crash there, not nice.

On the 1KC recently I was reminded about how poor rural areas are compared to most of AKL and wondered how those people coped/lived/what there lives were like etc and if they wanted to escape how they could afford it(I had plenty of time to think about it AWA). The people were friendly no matter were I went.

The climate has always changed, its just that now humans have accelerated that change through various means.
How we respond will determine the RATE of change.

[Ocean1]

when you say we is it us here in kiwi land or those other cunts .....city in China...we went past on a cruise up to the 3 Gorges dam......

And you would have seen the endless strings of barges delivering China's only national energy source from upstream to the power stations where 3rd rate brown coal is converted directly into that smog. And that won't change until a clean energy source is available to them at no higher cost, and until then: fuck the anti-China environmentalists.

[Jantar]

The climate has always changed, its just that now humans have accelerated that change through various means.
How we respond will determine the RATE of change.

According to the Hadcrut4 database (the one the IPCC uses), the rate of change for the 30 years from 1913 to 1942 is almost identical to the period from 1986 to 2015. So where is that accelerated rate of change?

[Voltaire]

I'll vote in the poll just after I vote in the flag referendum....

I wonder if on the Climate Change Forum they have a poll on which motorcycle to buy.

[yokel]

At the end of the if they can't even predict the climate then how the fuck are they going to change it and to what?

If humans were never invented then what would the climate be doing today? whats the base level?

[TheDemonLord]

One really has to choose option 4 - there is no other option to choose, so in many cases its a poorly worded poll.

[scumdog]

Wotno: The climate has always changed, we might have made it worse.

Yes, I too was looking for that option. (Maybe not in Mashys words exactly...)

[Moise]

Not sure if you worded the choices quite right.

Fairly pointless poll anyway, Que sera, sera . I have very little expectation that humankind will do anything meaningful about climate change in the required time frame. Maybe when the oceans have become anoxic, and we can't grow food. But even then, I expect that the Americans will say that it's God's punishment for the sins of the human race and we shouldn't try to stop it anyway.

Quite how we took global action on CFC's is beyond me. Maybe they added magic mushrooms to the food served at the conference?

[Jantar]

For those who think the poll is poorly worded, please suggest some alternative wording.

The purpose is to find out what percentage of people on here are climate change deniers, not to discover the causes of climate change past and present.

[Night Falcon]

The climate has asked me to tell you all to please look the other way while its changing

[Ocean1]

Not sure if you worded the choices quite right.

Fairly pointless poll anyway, Que sera, sera . I have very little expectation that humankind will do anything meaningful about climate change in the required time frame. Maybe when the oceans have become anoxic, and we can't grow food. But even then, I expect that the Americans will say that it's God's punishment for the sins of the human race and we shouldn't try to stop it anyway.

Quite how we took global action on CFC's is beyond me. Maybe they added magic mushrooms to the food served at the conference?

What's the required time frame?

Only, in the time it's taken to actually invent climate change we've gone from Morris Minors to Higgs Boson.

Interpolate that over any likely significant climate change event and it's difficult to see how we wouldn't have the tools required to deal with it.

[yokel]

For those who think the poll is poorly worded, please suggest some alternative wording.

The purpose is to find out what percentage of people on here are climate change deniers, not to discover the causes of climate change past and present.

Well if you look at the results you'll see no one is a climate change denier.

Make it simple yes or no.

eg, is man made greenhouse emissions (mainly CO2) significantly if at all disrupting the climate? yes/no

Or has the worlds governments totally gone insane thinking they can or should control the climate? yes/no

[Virago]

For those who think the poll is poorly worded, please suggest some alternative wording.

The purpose is to find out what percentage of people on here are climate change deniers, not to discover the causes of climate change past and present.

Probably the most important one that doesn't fit any of the choices is:

"The climate did change before man started adding CO2, but has changed dramatically since."

Very few people would argue that climate doesn't change. The contentious point is - has man influenced it to our detriment?

[puddytat]

One question.....Are we responsible for Climate change?

Two answers.....yes or no.

[Jantar]

Well if you look at the results you'll see no one is a climate change denier.

Make it simple yes or no.

eg, is man made greenhouse emissions (mainly CO2) significantly if at all disrupting the climate? yes/no

Or has the worlds governments totally gone insane thinking they can or should control the climate? yes/no

That is to do with cause, nothing to do with whether or not anyone denies that the climate is changing. That discussion is more related to the other climate thread.