Climate Change Poll

[eldog]

Greenie Heaven

Eskimo Time

and I know that I can get a suntan much quicker these days than I could when I was a youngster. But that's UV light.

Never really been a greenie myself, but hate people doing dumb shit when it can be avoided.

Maybe its a conspiracy......

[iYRe]

Maybe you need to read some of Steven Goddard's (not his real name BTW) work more closely. He does agree that CO2 affects the climate, and by the same amount I have already stated: 1.2K per doubling. That is amount discovered by John Tindal in 1856, and can replicated in any lab today. It is an amount very much smaller than that claimed by IPCC.

The change in climate caused by CO2 is swamped by natural variation, and is almost undetectable. It requires very sophisticated algorithms to even try and separate CO2 forcing from natural changes.

Yes, however, that just confuses things for the wombats who still believe C02 *causes* CC.
The most important thing he brings to light, imho, is the complete and utter fraud of the whole deal, and how blatantly they manipulate the data with impunity... no one cares, because they make money out of it

[yokel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D1uaw3WIOlc

Ah yes George Carlin, I think he makes some good points.

[Woodman]

Ah yes George Carlin, I think he makes some good points.

That was good shit

[jonbuoy]

Eskimo Time

and I know that I can get a suntan much quicker these days than I could when I was a youngster. But that's UV light.

Never really been a greenie myself, but hate people doing dumb shit when it can be avoided.

Maybe its a conspiracy......

Even in the peak of summer here I can spend a couple of hours out in the sun without getting nuked- never get burnt through my scalp and never bother with sun cream behind my ears. Who would have thought the relatively small amounts of cfc's we released could have made such a difference.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Even in the peak of summer here I can spend a couple of hours out in the sun without getting nuked- never get burnt through my scalp and never bother with sun cream behind my ears. Who would have thought the relatively small amounts of cfc's we released could have made such a difference.

Or the likely bigger culprit (thousands of nuclear bomb tests). No finger pointing there though.

[TheDemonLord]

Or the likely bigger culprit (thousands of nuclear bomb tests). No finger pointing there though.

you do realize that the sun is basically a giant Thermonuclear explosion right? and that Radiation (Gamma Radiation specifically) almost never interferes with chemical compounds?

[Akzle]

you do realize that the sun is basically a giant Thermonuclear explosion right? and that Radiation almost never interferes with chemical compounds?

oh for fucksake.
The more you post, the dumber you sound.

[jonbuoy]

Or the likely bigger culprit (thousands of nuclear bomb tests). No finger pointing there though.

Any credible/scientific evidence to back that up?

[Berries]

I just felt that whatever it was I just voted for looked lonely.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Any credible/scientific evidence to back that up?

Nothing that comes close to the 97% falsified twaddle that seems to pass for truth these days. Ain't no meaningful studies been carried out. Just theories which are a long way from certain. Chlorine activation, ash clouds etc. Google it if you're interested (Not something I see as worth my time tbh).

[jonbuoy]

What if they are right and we don't even try and make some changes? What's the worst case scenario? Slightly less pollution?

[R650R]

What if they are right and we don't even try and make some changes? What's the worst case scenario? Slightly less pollution?

The worst case scenario is living under a technocratic dictatorship that via technology decides when you can use the device you own/paid for. That you will pay mega bucks more in taxes and passed down charges in the name of various climate levies and carbon taxes. Even at lesser levels all the solutions will massively impact our standard of living either through paying more taxes, limited when you can use stuff or paying big dollars for higher tech 'cleaner' emmisions gear.
Imagine if tomorrow the govt decreed your fridge/washing machine/tv/PC etc uses too much power and you must junk them and replace with brand x etc.....

Its just like the higher ACC levies for bikes, it has no impact on the desired outcome, people are already riding as safe as they can manage and buy the best protection they can afford. The clear fraud of the whole scam is that you can carry on polluting as long as you pay carbon taxes. All we are doing is making manufacturing uneconomic in developed countries and transferring the pollution to places like china and india who wills till emit the co2 thereby still affecting the climate (if co2 actually did).....

[awa355]

Yeah, right.


[QUOTE]

The president took credit for the successful negotiations. "Today, the American people can be proud - because this historic agreement is a tribute to American leadership. Over the past seven years, we've transformed the United States into the global leader in fighting climate change.

Top Republicans in Congress dismissed the pact as nothing more than a long-term planning document and said Obama was making promises he won't be able to keep. They say his commitment to reduce emissions from US power plants would cost thousands of American jobs and raise electricity costs.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Obama is "writing checks he can't cash and stepping over the middle class to take credit for an 'agreement' that is subject to being shredded in 13 months."

[jonbuoy]

The worst case scenario is living under a technocratic dictatorship that via technology decides when you can use the device you own/paid for. That you will pay mega bucks more in taxes and passed down charges in the name of various climate levies and carbon taxes. Even at lesser levels all the solutions will massively impact our standard of living either through paying more taxes, limited when you can use stuff or paying big dollars for higher tech 'cleaner' emmisions gear.
Imagine if tomorrow the govt decreed your fridge/washing machine/tv/PC etc uses too much power and you must junk them and replace with brand x etc.....

Its just like the higher ACC levies for bikes, it has no impact on the desired outcome, people are already riding as safe as they can manage and buy the best protection they can afford. The clear fraud of the whole scam is that you can carry on polluting as long as you pay carbon taxes. All we are doing is making manufacturing uneconomic in developed countries and transferring the pollution to places like china and india who wills till emit the co2 thereby still affecting the climate (if co2 actually did).....

And if they are right and we do nothing? When the air is so polluted in cities it's not safe to breathe and you can't see across the street - something has to change. It's already happening slowly - 100watt filament light bulbs are banned and other filament lamps are being phased out.