Climate Change Poll

[TheDemonLord]

we use this marvelous shit called reinforced concrete. Building cities on sand is fucking stupid, even jesus knew this.
And there are building methods that move with an eartquake and survive, rather than trying to brace against it (and failing).

Reinforced concrete is great - but it's only strong under compression - which is why it doesn't do too well in an Earthquake. Also interesting is that Basements aren't common in Japan aswell (probably one of the world leaders on Earthquake construction)

Centralisation requires distribution. Every which way you paint it, distribution if far less efficient than locally sourced, used, recycled shit.

Not necessarily, sometimes the cost of distribution is massively offset by the gain in efficiency via economies of Scale - case in point is AC vs DC current and our current electrical grid.

The line losses on electricty distribution are enough to power a city full of your mums dildos.

So no loss at all then, cause Dildos don't use any power - A Vibrator on the other hand...

The reticulation network for water, sewerage etc... Inefficient, and large ongoing maintenance requirements.

Having one plant, servicing 100,000 homes (hypothetical) with 100 people looking after it - is that more or less effecient than having 100 plants servicing 1000 homes each, with each plant requiring 2 people to look after it.

Even more so when you consider would the 1000 homes generate enough input so that the 100 plants can operate at peak effeciency?

[Akzle]

Reinforced concrete is great - but it's only strong under compression - which is why it doesn't do too well in an Earthquake. Also interesting is that Basements aren't common in Japan aswell (probably one of the world leaders on Earthquake construction)

which is why they reinforce it, with steel

Not necessarily, sometimes the cost of distribution is massively offset by the gain in efficiency via economies of Scale - case in point is AC vs DC current and our current electrical grid.

you're confusing voltage and current. highvoltage dc travels as well as highvoltage ac, just the mechanics of converting it to usable voltages is more involved:
The problem with dc is rectification both from generation, and then at the other end.

Irrelevant, but, if the power only has to travel from your roof to your tv.

Having one plant, servicing 100,000 homes (hypothetical) with 100 people looking after it - is that more or less effecient than having 100 plants servicing 1000 homes each, with each plant requiring 2 people to look after it.

Even more so when you consider would the 1000 homes generate enough input so that the 100 plants can operate at peak effeciency?

no. When 1000 homes maintain their own shit, reuse it in the garden to grow their own veges... And then 1000 guys can go fishing instead of muck diving.

Plus, the treatment of septic sludge is fucking stupid. Wet toilets are a fucking huge inefficiency.

[oldrider]

Surely we are too smart for that!:

[TheDemonLord]

which is why they reinforce it, with steel

But the CTV building was Reinforced Concrete.... and multitudes of Reinforced concrete buildings have collapsed in Earthquakes the main issue from memory is the swaying effect stretches the concrete on one side, which then chips and cracks, loosing its structural strength, then when it sways back, the cracked side has more play in it, further weakening the structure.

you're confusing voltage and current. highvoltage dc travels as well as highvoltage ac, just the mechanics of converting it to usable voltages is more involved:
The problem with dc is rectification both from generation, and then at the other end.

No - I'm really not - you said it yourself, AC is simpler - which is why it was the winning method of Electricity distribution.

no. When 1000 homes maintain their own shit, reuse it in the garden to grow their own veges... And then 1000 guys can go fishing instead of muck diving.

Plus, the treatment of septic sludge is fucking stupid. Wet toilets are a fucking huge inefficiency.

A: I don't want to deal with my own shit, that's why I pay someone else to do it.
B: Whilst I agree Wet Toilets are massively inefficient, there are other benefits to using them - mainly in the sanitation and control of the spread of disease. Compare a country or location that doesn't use wet toilets and when things like Dysentery, Cholera etc. break out.

[puddytat]

According to a media release from a Green spokesperson for the NZ govt emissions target to be met 80% of oil has to be left in the ground now. If that happend we can kiss goodbye to the economy and prepare for a return to the stone age.

You are a fucking luddite....

[jonbuoy]

You mean we can't use all the oil at once and have to conserve it and economise? Damn I was thinking we should just suck it all out now so we have a great lifestyle for the next 50 years and then head back to the stoneage.

[Voltaire]

thoroughly arguable





refrigeration technology is essentially the same as the 60s, just with r134 and the like in place of ammonia.
Chest freezers have existed for just as long.
Why no cunt has put 1 and 1 together with the physics of cold....? Inconvinience.
remote mounting a compressor (rather than having it under what youre trying to cool - duh!), building fridges into houses rather than selling every cunt one? (PROFIT !!1101!)

and the "technology" of thermal mass and sun has been comprehended for long. (long before crackerfullas stole the world) So why isnt every building in nz a net energy exporter? Why is there centralised waste processing, power distribution, etc? Instead of everyone dealing with their own shit on their own place?
Passive cooling (cellars and cold stores ie) are non fucking existant, rather than mandatory, in nz.

134 in place of Ammonia? ....you need to improve you Google Skills.
Also Ammonia is a natural substance, not nice to work with though....if it leaks run like you stole it.

[SPman]

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[scumdog]

You can tell it's a joke 'cos there's no penguins at the north pole..

[carbonhed]

You can tell it's a joke 'cos there's no penguins at the north pole..

Well spotted.

[seattle smitty]

I posted this to a thread that must have already run its course, so:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...llenge!/page10


Your poll needed another option, something like: "The climate has always undergone changes; the present change has been augmented by the effects of human activity."

[oldrider]

Activity (or lack of) of the sun and it's effect on climate change? (scary shit!)