fucken judges

[scumdog]

A 14 year old working as a sex worker isn't OK. I agree with Winja. But anybody who says " but what about the parents? why aren't they held accountable??" is not grasping the fact that parents have no effective way to control a 14 year old, if she is hell-bent on pleasing herself. I speak from experience. If she wants to leave your house, she will. If she wants to abuse her body, she will. You can call the cops ("wait 24 hours, we don't do anything for 24 hours with missing kids, they usually turn up") or CYFS (who will do a lot of tut-tutting and spout a lot of PC bullshit but won't/can't do anything to restrain your child) or the school truant officer (ditto)...yadda yadda yadda


Anyone says "blame the parents" knows fuck all. It's just too glib. It also supposes there are 2 parents, both of whom are taking responsibility for the upbringing of their child, which often there are not. Some kids fall through the cracks no matter how hard you try.

You said it!
We're sick of taking a certain runaway back to the city, done it about 7 or 8 times now, two guys+car tied up for 2 hours each time.
Parents can't seem to contain her (and with an attitude like she has probably don't want to/know how).

[kerryg]

You said it!
Parents can't seem to contain her (and with an attitude like she has probably don't want to/know how).

So, how do you "contain" a teenager? Lock them in a cage? Beat them up? Send them to boarding school? The only tools available are tools of persuasion (heart-to hearet talks, inducements if they behave and punishments if they don't , like no pocket money, take away the stereo, etc). Hardly very effective if the kid wants alcohol, sex, parties etc. No pocket money is not going to change a thing. A teenager who is hell-bent on having her freedom, can't be stopped. There is NO WAY.They run away and you can't prevent. Shit, one of my kids was sent to a "home for problem kids" and she didn't like it, so she walked out. In the middle of the night. Right out in the sticks. They could not physically stop her because that would have been assault or something, so they let her go. Those who think parents should be able to control their troubled teens have either never had a troubled teenager and/or have got their heads up their arse.

[scumdog]

So, how do you "contain" a teenager? Lock them in a cage? Beat them up? Send them to boarding school? The only tools available are tools of persuasion (heart-to hearet talks, inducements if they behave and punishments if they don't , like no pocket money, take away the stereo, etc). Hardly very effective if the kid wants alcohol, sex, parties etc. No pocket money is not going to change a thing. A teenager who is hell-bent on having her freedom, can't be stopped. There is NO WAY.They run away and you can't prevent. Shit, one of my kids was sent to a "home for problem kids" and she didn't like it, so she walked out. In the middle of the night. Right out in the sticks. They could not physically stop her because that would have been assault or something, so they let her go. Those who think parents should be able to control their troubled teens have either never had a troubled teenager and/or have got their heads up their arse.

I didn't suggest she HAD to be contained, just that she couldn't be.

And all of the above I know, it's part and parcel of my job (and a very frustrating part, these girls seem to think they're bullet proof "I can look after myself, I have so far, nothings happened to me so there" - said after hitching 80km in the dark. Must be good to have accurate foresight eh?

[yungatart]

In good old NZ it is law that children from yr 7 and up must receive careers advice (Yr 7 is Form 1), including advice on the sex industry if they want it. Scary thought eh? So with PC bullshit like that it is no wonder that 14 yo end up as prostitutes, plus the pay is probably heaps better than they can get in their local McD's. To put it in perspective, there are a few 14 yo's on this site, keep them here people, safest place for them.

[Pixie]

would i be let off scott free if i went to court wearing a G-string, red fuzzy wig and clown shoes claiming my head was fucked up.

Keith Locke?

[Pixie]

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Or what if the brothel owner was a man? would he get 300 hours if he just had a kid?

He'd be bloody famous if he had a kid

[Estrella]

I totally agree. Afterall, what is wrong with teenagers trying to get real work experience?
If they can work in supermarket, surely they should be able to work in a brothel! Both lines of work are legal occupation and can be a well-defined career in the future.

In fact, anyone who fancies being a prostitute should be given a chance to train themselves from as early age as possible. Who knows, we might one day have the best prostitutes in the world as we do with boat builders and IT people.

On the other hand, if you think this is wrong, then PERHAPS THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT HAVE LEGALISED PROSTITUTION IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?!?!

Prostitution was legalised as a way to protect the sex workers and give them some rights. In the past, the clients were never prosecuted whereas the sex workers were prosecuted and in many cases victimised.

Paying for sex is always going to be a part of our society whether we like it or not. If prostitution had not been legalised, I doubt that this case of using underage girls would have ever made it to court.

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah but one of the cops on that case was quoted in the paper as saying that he thought the reason the guy carried out the bomb hoax was to get a free ticket home. He was accompanied by 2 minders when he was deported to Slovenia or wherever it was so FWIW a couple of grand is nowhere near it, I'd guess, but that's beside the point. The guy exploited the system to get a free ticket home. That's what sucks. Shit, he must be laughing

So why did people who knew him say he was depressed at not getting residencey?

[Lou Girardin]

In good old NZ it is law that children from yr 7 and up must receive careers advice (Yr 7 is Form 1), including advice on the sex industry if they want it. Scary thought eh? So with PC bullshit like that it is no wonder that 14 yo end up as prostitutes, plus the pay is probably heaps better than they can get in their local McD's. To put it in perspective, there are a few 14 yo's on this site, keep them here people, safest place for them.

Would you like to quote that legislation. It sounds very much like an urban myth.

[kerryg]

So why did people who knew him say he was depressed at not getting residencey?

I have to admit I haven't followed the story particularly closely, but unless I've missed something, I dunno that that is inconsistent, is it? Didn't get residency=needs/wants to leave=organises free plane ticket.

Anyays, I certainly concur that it's better to deport the bugger than to put him in prison as a guest of the NZ taxpayer.

[Hitcher]

In good old NZ it is law that children from yr 7 and up must receive careers advice (Yr 7 is Form 1), including advice on the sex industry if they want it. Scary thought eh? So with PC bullshit like that it is no wonder that 14 yo end up as prostitutes, plus the pay is probably heaps better than they can get in their local McD's. To put it in perspective, there are a few 14 yo's on this site, keep them here people, safest place for them.

An NCEA in prostitution. The concept of a staircased qualifications framework for this particular profession boggles one's mind...

[Sniper]

An NCEA in prostitution. The concept of a staircased qualifications framework for this particular profession boggles one's mind...

I wonder if they will advertise positions for tutors?

[yungatart]

Would you like to quote that legislation. It sounds very much like an urban myth.

Was working in an intermediate school when the Prostitution law was changed. Can't quote the statute but it forms part of a schools job to give careers advice-follows that since prostitution is no longer illegal, it would be a viable career for someone so inclined and schools would have to advise accordingly.

[ManDownUnder]

Was working in an intermediate school when the Prostitution law was changed. Can't quote the statute but it forms part of a schools job to give careers advice-follows that since prostitution is no longer illegal, it would be a viable career for someone so inclined and schools would have to advise accordingly.

FFS... there goes the neighbourhood...

At least they'll be qualified... I wonder if you can go right up to a PhD, or does NCEA not go that high?

[Lou Girardin]

Was working in an intermediate school when the Prostitution law was changed. Can't quote the statute but it forms part of a schools job to give careers advice-follows that since prostitution is no longer illegal, it would be a viable career for someone so inclined and schools would have to advise accordingly.

Then, can you legally advise someone about prostitution when they're under-age?