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    Cage experts, help needed!

    I'm having difficulty with 1 bolt on my control arm of my cage... Anyone know how to get it out??? (please don't tell me I need a special tool)
    This is the bolt in question


    Next time I might just get someone else to do this shit, all this just to replace this fucking thing, why can't vehicles be easy???
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    Looks like it might be seized into the control arm bushing, when you put a socket on it will it spin?
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    It's siezed onto the inner sleeve of the bush....you have a problem. Cut the bolt and head, and spread the Xmember to get the arm out.
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    It's siezed onto the inner sleeve of the bush....you have a problem. Cut the bolt and head, and spread the Xmember to get the arm out. What vehicle?
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    if you haven't got much room to swing a decent hammer you could weld an eye to the bolt head and put some tension on it using a cable tensioner or small come along/chain block fixed to another point on the chassis.....or a sliding drift hammer...... while tapping the thread end ....heaps of crc too......let it soak for a night ..put the nut back on as Tazz said until you unfreeze it....good luck
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    Is that a Nissan van? You don't need to take the arm out to replace the ball joint, it can all be done with it as is.
    Talk about make a mission out of nothing.
    45 min labour & I would still have time up my sleeve. Want me to tell you how?

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    The bolt does spin, but there's friction like it's spinning rubber with it
    I've tried a couple hit with a hammer (nothing too extreme, the van isn't as stable as it could possibly be) but can't see any movement from it
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Is that a Nissan van? You don't need to take the arm out to replace the ball joint, it can all be done with it as is.
    Talk about make a mission out of nothing.
    45 min labour & I would still have time up my sleeve. Want me to tell you how?
    Yea it's a Nissan, if the joint can be replaced without arm removal that would be advantageous. I don't have a press kit (if that's what's required) so was gonna rip the arm off & take it to a guy that could press it for me on a not so portable press kit (assuming these are pressed)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    Yea it's a Nissan, if the joint can be replaced without arm removal that would be advantageous. I don't have a press kit (if that's what's required) so was gonna rip the arm off & take it to a guy that could press it for me on a not so portable press kit (assuming these are pressed)
    Here's what you do.
    Make sure to remove the circlip above the arm on the ball joint, you already have the boot off, that's part of the job.
    Put an axle stand, or something made of solid metal under the arm near the ball joint, but not under it with a bit of preload (for fucks sake don't use wood,it absorbs the shock)
    Pivot the threaded ball joint stub out towards you & hit it fuckin hard with a big hammer, hitting the top edge of the ball joint is ok too with the stub turned in.
    Three hits & its out.
    Ok, fuck off & do that while it's still daytime & by the time you get back I will tell you how to put the new one in.

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    Clean up the hole that the ball joint virtually fell out of with a bit of very coarse sandpaper.
    Find a large socket or round steel thing with a circular hole in it that the outer lower circular machined edge of the ball joint rests on nicely.
    Put the ball joint in the hole with a bit of grease on things put the socket or round thing under the ball joint with an axle stand or stack of solid metal things directly to a solid surface, with a bit of preload (you're wasting your time if it's on the lawn)
    Get a thick metal drift & hit the outer edge of the suspension arm down, watching that the ball joint is going in straight & ajusting the under support to compensate, if it goes too crooked, knock it out & start again.
    Once things go solid, put the circlip on & you know the rest.
    Grease the ball joint if it has a nipple & dont forget to tighten that inner lower pivot you have been messing with.
    Don't be a pussy, you're not going to fuck anything with a hammer & drift, it's made of tougher stuff than that.
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    watch this........it may be helpful........pretty much what bob said but using a tool for the install
    https://youtu.be/3EBDAgbJjjI
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    To install you can also put an axle stand under the partly pressed in ball joint then let your jack down quickly and the weight of the van will press it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    The bolt does spin, but there's friction like it's spinning rubber with it
    I've tried a couple hit with a hammer (nothing too extreme, the van isn't as stable as it could possibly be) but can't see any movement from it
    Spin like a full turn, or spin like 20 degrees whilst increasing in resistance, if it's the former, you've probably got a fucked control arm bush. If it's the latter you've got a seized bolt to bush.

    As for the ball joint, follow sidecar bob's advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Here's what you do.
    Make sure to remove the circlip above the arm on the ball joint, you already have the boot off, that's part of the job.
    Put an axle stand, or something made of solid metal under the arm near the ball joint, but not under it with a bit of preload (for fucks sake don't use wood,it absorbs the shock)
    Pivot the threaded ball joint stub out towards you & hit it fuckin hard with a big hammer, hitting the top edge of the ball joint is ok too with the stub turned in.
    Three hits & its out.
    Ok, fuck off & do that while it's still daytime & by the time you get back I will tell you how to put the new one in.
    Well that hasn't worked out for me... being that it's on gravel probably isn't helping things tho.
    Might just have to give up & get someone round. Need it done by Sat

    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Spin like a full turn, or spin like 20 degrees whilst increasing in resistance, if it's the former, you've probably got a fucked control arm bush. If it's the latter you've got a seized bolt to bush.

    As for the ball joint, follow sidecar bob's advice.
    Full turn, managed to smack it out by 20mm but she's still as stuck as she was beforehand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    Well that hasn't worked out for me... being that it's on gravel probably isn't helping things tho.
    Might just have to give up & get someone round. Need it done by Sat
    Fuckin beat it with the biggest hammer you can swing like you hate it.

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