Microsoft ends support for Internet Explorer < v11

[Scuba_Steve]

oh sure, name another that works with Active Directory and uh... Microsoft applications and other Windows based software.

Hah, you're not in the corporate world of IT. I am.

What makes things even worse Windows doesn't work well with MS products either.

[eldog]

What makes things even worse Windows doesn't work well with MS products either.

There are some which work almost seamlessly like OFFCAT, which look like internal development
apart from the strange colour combos worked a treat.
Used it to check out problems I was having with MS OFFICE and MS OUTLOOK - the pst file was corrupted

Regarding IE, I used to be a loyal user, as I wrongly assumed that MS would pile lots of work to get rid of any bugs etc.
LOL... Maybe that's why there is Edge development but I have recently changed to Chrome or Firefox on the odd Occassion. I now use IE as little as possible.
All of these 'security updates' makes me thing how much work is done on the programming for whatever action the program in question is supposed to do. Used to be 50% on program and 50% on user interface/printing etc.

So with W10 how much is done on the program and how much on security........

[Gremlin]

What makes things even worse Windows doesn't work well with MS products either.

Don't worry, don't even need an OS in the mix. MS Dynamics CRM 3 never played that nice with Outlook 2003 and they were supposed to work together

A project likely this year for one client is moving CRM off MS (although MS backend), upgrade the SBS2003 to 12 ish etc. We can't replace one without the other, so they have to be done together...

There are plenty of XP left in my networks, most have been migrated to Win7 and we're still deploying that. There are the occasional software that demand something newer, but it's more likely software is behind the 8 ball. Back then, I had to do a fair amount of testing to get that sort of software working on Win7/Office10 and some even said to me, it's untested, please let us know how you go as we haven't tried yet...

Nothing wrong with XP for basic functions but slowly companies will move to newer OS support and compatibility wise and don't want to keep supporting every OS. It doesn't mean that XP automatically blows up - although MS would like to make you think so...

[TheDemonLord]

Don't worry, don't even need an OS in the mix. MS Dynamics CRM 3 never played that nice with Outlook 2003 and they were supposed to work together

A project likely this year for one client is moving CRM off MS (although MS backend), upgrade the SBS2003 to 12 ish etc. We can't replace one without the other, so they have to be done together...

There are plenty of XP left in my networks, most have been migrated to Win7 and we're still deploying that. There are the occasional software that demand something newer, but it's more likely software is behind the 8 ball. Back then, I had to do a fair amount of testing to get that sort of software working on Win7/Office10 and some even said to me, it's untested, please let us know how you go as we haven't tried yet...

Nothing wrong with XP for basic functions but slowly companies will move to newer OS support and compatibility wise and don't want to keep supporting every OS. It doesn't mean that XP automatically blows up - although MS would like to make you think so...

CRM 2013 doesn't play nice with Outlook 2013 either.....

[Scuba_Steve]

Lets face it, MS products don't like playing nice with anything... incl their own

[eldog]

Nothing wrong with XP for basic functions but slowly companies will move to newer OS support and compatibility wise and don't want to keep supporting every OS. It doesn't mean that XP automatically blows up - although MS would like to make you think so...

Have to agree, Quite happy with XP, 2000 and Vista 64-never really had a problem with any of them- Still run XP and Vista machines (no where as many as Gremlin or Big Dog obviously). Win 7 and 8.1 can be interesting.

And yes finding most people now keeping it simple and not constantly updating to newer OSs and only upgrade when replacing a whole machine

Just glad MS isn't running the ECU, traction and ABS functions on bikes ..... Or are they????

[Gremlin]

CRM 2013 doesn't play nice with Outlook 2013 either.....

Bahaha, good to know nothing has changed. MS weren't really considered for the next CRM... now we're waiting for approval on costs...

[Gremlin]

Have to agree, Quite happy with XP, 2000 and Vista 64-never really had a problem with any of them- Still run XP and Vista machines (no where as many as Gremlin or Big Dog obviously). Win 7 and 8.1 can be interesting.

And yes finding most people now keeping it simple and not constantly updating to newer OSs and only upgrade when replacing a whole machine

Just glad MS isn't running the ECU, traction and ABS functions on bikes ..... Or are they????

Got almost no Vista, we supplied one, and it's since been cycled out. The odd Win8 we didn't supply but have to support, the odd people took it upon themselves (sorta attached to companies, but not full time staff) and then we had to sort out the resulting mess. 3 staff decided to upgrade because MS said so Deployed machines are all Win7 bar one client that must have the latest and greatest, so running a custom spec Win10 laptop with Office 2016 (the day after it was released).

I have replaced the hardware in rare occasions keeping the XP OS when clients have everthing setup the way they need it. It does mean a faster turn around to new hardware and no testing compatibility etc.

Maybe MS is. Everytime I start the BMW it sets Traction control and ABS to on, no matter the setting when I turned it off

[awa355]

Go to Google - type in 'Download Firefox' or 'Download Chrome'


Never use IE ever again.

Cheers, I use Chrome, with windows 7 anyway, so I should be right.

[eldog]

I have replaced the hardware in rare occasions keeping the XP OS when clients have everthing setup the way they need it. It does mean a faster turn around to new hardware and no testing compatibility etc.

Maybe MS is. Everytime I start the BMW it sets Traction control and ABS to on, no matter the setting when I turned it off

I like having the same setup - makes it so much easier for people like you and me.

BMW like other manufacturers have to reset the bike IN CASE another rider rides it. to protect themselves.
Pity it doesn't have a setup config were you could have your settings saved and reloaded with a push of 1 button on start up-sort of preconfig. (my explanation isn't too clear)

[pete376403]

I upgraded the home PC to Windows 10. Funny thing with Edge though, I open some websites and they tell me my browser is out of date, I should update to IE11