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    Quote Originally Posted by fxxk View Post
    Exactly, I would rather hit a land mine and die instantly than to hit either a solid barrier and break most, if not all my bones and die a slow painful death, or worse become crippled.. The idea of losing an arm or leg doesn't sound very nice either.
    You may not understand land mines. For most types out in the field their key premise is not to kill.
    But to maim.
    An evaporated soldier can be left where he was sprayed. A dead but whole one takes 4 men to evac.
    A dismembered but living one takes 4 men to carry, a medic to treat, an evac unit, medical treatment etc. Far more costly to a campaign, plus in all probability halts the current unit while they try to save their buddy exposing them to further attack unless they are keen test if this was the attack or just the redirection.

    Not to mention the psychological harm to all who hear about it and now live in fear of being similarly maimed.
    Most men fear losing limbs more than death even though one is easier to come back from.
    There is not currently a prosthetic for death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dog View Post
    You may not understand land mines. For most types out in the field their key premise is not to kill.
    But to maim.
    An evaporated soldier can be left where he was sprayed. A dead but whole one takes 4 men to evac.
    A dismembered but living one takes 4 men to carry, a medic to treat, an evac unit, medical treatment etc.
    The comments about wounded being more resource hungry than a body are correct, although this theory tends to find more favour with generals than with soldiers on the ground. A wounded enemy could still be dangerous.

    Your information on mines though might be half a century or so out of date and relates more to WW2 era mines than the more powerful versions found since - in Vietnam f'instance. These latter were considerably more lethal than their earlier counterparts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Umm, WTF? Do they do that?
    None, I took the money I'd saved by delivering the morning herald
    I had a morning herald run as a kid. I started the paper round on a Tuesday, chucked it on the Saturday when I saw the size of the bundles I had to deliver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dog View Post
    You may not understand land mines. For most types out in the field their key premise is not to kill.
    But to maim.
    An evaporated soldier can be left where he was sprayed. A dead but whole one takes 4 men to evac.
    A dismembered but living one takes 4 men to carry, a medic to treat, an evac unit, medical treatment etc. Far more costly to a campaign, plus in all probability halts the current unit while they try to save their buddy exposing them to further attack unless they are keen test if this was the attack or just the redirection.

    Not to mention the psychological harm to all who hear about it and now live in fear of being similarly maimed.
    Most men fear losing limbs more than death even though one is easier to come back from.
    There is not currently a prosthetic for death.

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    Yeah, nah, not quite. Anti-personnel mines are deployed to protect anti-AFV mines from clearance. What you've described is their secondary purpose and how they are deployed by guerilla/terrorist fighters. It's also fair to say that it is not doctrine to help the wounded during an engagement. You're technically supposed to leave them until it is relatively safe to evacuate, though this practice seems to be fading the further we get from WW1. Military planners are forgetting the comparative loss ratios of shooting a screaming wounded man in no-mans land to trying to evacuate him. Plenty of units reduced below fighting strength trying to save one comrade. The movies have a lot to answer for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    The comments about wounded being more resource hungry than a body are correct, although this theory tends to find more favour with generals than with soldiers on the ground. A wounded enemy could still be dangerous.

    Your information on mines though might be half a century or so out of date and relates more to WW2 era mines than the more powerful versions found since - in Vietnam f'instance. These latter were considerably more lethal than their earlier counterparts.
    Probably not far wrong about the out of date. Most of my knowledge of mines is related to talking to survivors who in the 80's were old men (50+ isn't that old but these guys were in a retirement home already the youngest in his fourties the eldest in his 80s, and you never know who is having on the young buck doing his school project ).
    They talked about how their training had been aimed at bringing a man down and leaving him alive enough to get information if his comrades left him behind.
    They talked about how some treaty was doing away with the practice and leading to the condemnation of the practice but that would never clear up the existing stuff.

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    Thread: NZTA response to question about wire rope barriers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dog View Post
    land mines.
    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Anti-personnel mines

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    It would be easier and far more cost-effective to make the Coro-loop much safer...

    by making gsxr owners fit training wheels prior to entering "the loop".

    Sadly, crash recovery companies would object to this plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
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    What, were you thinking more coal mines?
    Already plenty of gold mines to worry about on Coromandel.

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    Coal mining is a currently declining industry, if you haven't ready noticed.

    Except in certain areas of NZ.

    I can't see that changing in GREEN Coromandel - although gold mining ...... The resource is the land.


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    there's another "green gold" thats plentiful on the coro...

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    Shhh!

    its a secret,


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