big thumbs up for the cops

[Ixion]

Felonies and misdemeanours are Merkin concepts, we've never used the terms.
But the question still stands, which crimes are so heinous as to warrant unforgiveness..
When does a criminal finally expiate their guilt?
If a child is innocent, what about a harmless hitch hiker?
If you're severly provoked and accidentally commit manslaughter , when will you stop paying for it?
I'd be very, very careful about supporting the removal of anyones rights, it's just a small step to doing it to us.

Nope, felony is an English legal construct. We had them too, until the passing of the Criminal Code Act 1893.

When do they expiate their guilt ? Never. You can't unbreak an egg.
You can forgive a person their ill deeds. Doesn't mean you should trust them in similar circumstances. Same logic applies to all crimes, but the EFFECT of the taint differs. Someone convicted of embezzlement ? No worry aropund children, but should not be able to take a position of financial trust (would you want to trust your saving to someone who just came out of jail for embezzlement ? Don't you think you should have the right to know?) . Kiddy fiddler , yeah OK to get a job as accountant - but don't let him near schools. Murdered a hitchhiker - probably depends on why , but would you want to go for a ride with him once he's released?

I am in general very jealous of legal rights. But a convicted criminal by definition loses those rights on conviction.So it not " a small step" to applying it to the rest of us - the rest of us would have to be convicted of a "serious" (ie = felony) crime, first.

[Lou Girardin]

I know what you're saying. But I find it difficult to accept that say, a 19 year old convicted once of serious assault should always, for the rest of his life, be penalised by society for that one offence.

[spudchucka]

I missed this item on the news (or whatever programme) so who said the Police entered his house without a warrant and photographed him?
Seems a little odd (and waste of time) given the Police would already have his photo on the computer system.

Exactly what I was thinking too. If they needed a photo wouldn't you just take it covertly with a telephoto lens? I can't see any reason why the person who created the flyer would have to enter the guys house in order to snap a photo.

[spudchucka]

I know what you're saying. But I find it difficult to accept that say, a 19 year old convicted once of serious assault should always, for the rest of his life, be penalised by society for that one offence.

He's not and if you imply that he is or will be then you are scare mongering.

[NC]

THIS FUCKER NEEDS A BULLET , HES FAILED REHABILITATION 3 TIMES, NOT THAT I BELIEVE IN REHAB FOR THESE TYPES.
THE OFFENDER OWNS NOTHING , CANT READ OR WRITE ,HAS NO JOB AND LIVES IN A FREE HOUSE , HE AT LEAST NEEDS PREVENTITIVE DETENTION

I thought they chemically castrated them?

[NC]

that prick won't get anything..
but for fuck sake - who gave him that TelstraClear hat?

I had a responce to that, but I'm sure people wouldn't like it

[Ixion]

He's not and if you imply that he is or will be then you are scare mongering.

Well, in some areas he is . Overseas travel for instance, if he has to apply for a visa. And some jobs - like the police ?

Guess there can be an argument made that a veil should be drawn over past transgressions after the offender has PROVED he's turned over a new leaf. But that means going for a goodly number of years without reoffending, not immediately he's released on parole.

[Phurrball]

WINJA, good sir, there is such a thing as due process, and the rule of law. I doubt you would like it if the police made up the rules as they went along if you were in the gun.

We are judged as a society by how we treat the lowliest pond-scum.

[DevoDave]

The colour of a roof or speeding is hardly in the same category as child molestation.
Kids are defenceless against evil fuckers like this.

Then work towards getting the law changed. No one likes a perverted bastard like that so to ensure they are kept off the streets work within the law and get it changed

[Ixion]

Then work towards getting the law changed. No one likes a perverted bastard like that so to ensure they are kept off the streets work within the law and get it changed

I agree. These evil perverts painting their roofs unapproved colours are a threat to the integral fabric of our decent society, and an offront to all right thinking people. To protect the interests of mainstream New Zealand, the rusty roofers must be locked away for life. Then we'll move on to the weirdos who don't keep their lawns properly trimmed.

[Deano]

WINJA, good sir, there is such a thing as due process, and the rule of law. I doubt you would like it if the police made up the rules as they went along if you were in the gun.

We are judged as a society by how we treat the lowliest pond-scum.

Police have always been making up there own rules when it suits some situations.

Perhaps we should be judged as a society by how we treat the victims ?

The cops job is to uphold the law, not interpret as they see fit.

These bloody sprotsbike riders are a blardy nuisance speeding around the backroads. Let's make an example of a few - say we caught them at 160km/h in that 70 km/h zone near the country hall, and impound their bikes. Oh yeah - and they resisted arrest, so we had to give them a wee truncheoning/pepperspraying and lock them up to cool down.

This is already happening - we have heard from KBer's having done a runner to be knocked off the bike after stopping, manhandled to the ground etc. Is that really necessary or lawful ?

Rough justice has probably been going on since the first Police force.

Paedophiles are unrepentant and I for one don't have any qualms about the cops letting the community know. Entry without search warrant is perhaps another matter.

[SPman]

All "felons" should be given the chance to prove they can or have, turned their lives around, after they have served their sentence.

If they don't, won't, or can't, in serious cases like this, I see nothing wrong with them being quietly taken, to some out of the way spot and being dropped down a deep rocky hole, head first - no fuss, no drama, no publicity - and only by those directly connected to the serious offences - word would get around......

BUT!

You'd need to be bloody sure of your facts!

Howling mobs of self righteous, medially offended people, are a worse nightmare, than a judicial system that fucks up occaisionally!

If this nonlife has offended again whilst on parole - then he deserves everything that's coming to him!

[justsomeguy]

Anybody got a link to the story?? What are the facts??

So is this cop in trouble?? Why - is it now illegal to be a hero??

As for the garbage pile fiddler..... well....we should invite him on a ride.

Also extend the invitation to whichever lawyer is representing him too....

[justsomeguy]

Entry without search warrant is perhaps another matter.

Uh - this wasn't just entry without a warrant was it - according to this thread - this was an entry without a warrant into a house of a repeat offender who was re-offending while on parole.... bit different init??

[Skyryder]

ITS GOOD TO SEE SOME COPS DOING THE MORAL THING FOR ONCE ,WHEN THEY PUT OUT THAT PAMPHLET ABOUT THAT KIDDY FIDDLER WITH HIS PHOTO AND LOCATION THEY GOT SOME CRED BACK IN MY BOOKS , A COP SOME COP SAID FUCK THE LAW FUCK THE RULES LETS SAVE SOME KIDS , AND HE DID , I HOPE THE REST OF THE SYSTEM CAN DO THE MORAL THING NOW AND NOT GIVE HIME THE $50,000 HES AFTER IN COMPENSATION .
UNFORTUNATELY FOR US THE BIGGEST CUSTOMERS OF BONDAGE PARLOURS ARE JUDGES AND LAWERS , UNBALANCED PEOPLE BEING JUDGES SUX.
IF I WERE A JUDGE ID TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF , THAT PEDOPHILE DESERVES THE RANDOM BEATINGS HE GETS , HE SHOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE, HE SHOULD BE LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER , IF HES KEPT BUSY KEEPING ALIVE HE HAS LESS TIME TO DO WRONG .
I HOPE THE COMMUNITY RALLIES ROUND THE COP RESPONSIBLE AND GIVES HIM THE SUPPORT HE NEEDS TO CONTINUE THIS SORTA WORK WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE OTHER COPS TO DO THE RIGHT THING

Another good call Winj. That is untill they put 'your' photo in the letterbox by mistake.


Skyryder