big thumbs up for the cops

[spudchucka]

Like I said, I'm not anti Police - but I wouldn't automatically assume they can all be trusted.

Your previous post suggested that cops only get reamed by their bosses when matters become public, I'm telling you thats not the case. I don't recall trust of individual cops being an issue in the context of that post.

Complaints against police are the same as any complaint, they need to be verified as true or at least credible before any action could be taken. Witnesses help a lot but they aren't all that often available or credible. If its just one persons word against another then the complaint won't progress too far, however if a cop continually attracts complaints it will very much become a performance issue for him / her and they will have to modify their performance if they want their career to progress.

[Patrick]

Read the post Patrick. They lost the complaint, can't find the details, vanished into the ether, dematerialised, beamed to some parallel universe.
Caught on yet?
And, trusting soul that I am, I assumed that an emailed complaint would be traceable.
BTW. An explanation and possible apology is all I sought from this driver.
There are other cops that need hanging, drawing and quartering.

1. Did read it. 2. Things do get lost, have you never lost anything? 3. Caught on...yeah, whatever... read what i suggested...resubmit it (that is, "send it in again") 4. Yes, i assume Email is traceable...you would have a copy of the sent item? Resubmit it... ("again...") 5. Explanation and apology is fair enough, not exactly serious crime of the year by the sounds of it if that was all that needed doing. Probably got put at the bottom of the "to do" list of priorities......or under the donut box. 6. Yes, they do get caught out soon enough and bamboo shoots are driven in under their fingernails in the beating/confessional room...

[Patrick]

Yes, but which one will a judge believe between a 19 year old and a sworn officer (say 15 years experience on the force), with absolutely no other evidence ??

Tough one to call there...still gotta prove beyond reasonable doubt. Much easier to put in "doubt" or lame excuses to walk off free... Never arrested an "innocent" in my 20 years though...have better things to do than waste everyones time.

[Deano]

I don't recall trust of individual cops being an issue in the context of that post.

I think it is quite contextual actually - trust, honesty, justice etc - maybe only in a perfect world.

Guess well have to agree to disagree on this one.

[spudchucka]

I think it is quite contextual actually - trust, honesty, justice etc - maybe only in a perfect world.

Guess well have to agree to disagree on this one.

It just seemed a big leap to go from suggestions that the internal disciplinary processes are self serving and only result in cops being disciplined when matters become public to a discussion of trust of police in general.

I can see your point however and I don't necessarily dissagree with you except for the issues regarding internal discipline, which in my experience are quite sound and strictly adhered to.

[Lou Girardin]

1. Did read it. 2. Things do get lost, have you never lost anything? 3. Caught on...yeah, whatever... read what i suggested...resubmit it (that is, "send it in again") 4. Yes, i assume Email is traceable...you would have a copy of the sent item? Resubmit it... ("again...") 5. Explanation and apology is fair enough, not exactly serious crime of the year by the sounds of it if that was all that needed doing. Probably got put at the bottom of the "to do" list of priorities......or under the donut box. 6. Yes, they do get caught out soon enough and bamboo shoots are driven in under their fingernails in the beating/confessional room...

Tell me how to resubmit information that is entered on the Roadsafe website and is not saved when sent and I'll do it.
That's the catch Patrick and they know it. That's why the complaint got 'lost'.
And, if the Roadsafe managers have other Police dutes and priorities, perhaps they should disband the service.
I thought I'd try this complaint system to see how it works.
It doesn't.

[zjet]

All i can say to this one ..

If this was my brothers or sisters it happened to i would be the one going to Jail.

Nuff said

[Patrick]

Tell me how to resubmit information that is entered on the Roadsafe website and is not saved when sent and I'll do it.
That's the catch Patrick and they know it. That's why the complaint got 'lost'.
And, if the Roadsafe managers have other Police dutes and priorities, perhaps they should disband the service.
I thought I'd try this complaint system to see how it works.
It doesn't.

Unsure about the website situation... a direct phone call to the O/C station gets a quicker instant result. Ask for the O/C's his/her name at the time too, so you know who to ask for if you hear nothing. Done this way, you would hear, usually that same day...with a result.

Roadsafe managers undoubtedly have other duties than watching/acting on the website. Don't we all?

Prioritising is necessary. This "sounds" very minor (wanted a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket?)

But maybe I'm wrong there. If not, more serious matters would be looked at first...this one last...thenmore serious matters come in...still last...etc...etc...etc...catch my drift?

[marty]

I missed this item on the news (or whatever programme) so who said the Police entered his house without a warrant and photographed him?
Seems a little odd (and waste of time) given the Police would already have his photo on the computer system.

might have been mentioned in the other 3 pages, but they did a door knock at his house, he let them in, and they asked if they could take a photo of him, which he allowed. it wasn't a prisoner photo, they didn't need a warrant, and quite frankly, i think it was just good preventative policing. there are restrictions on the use of images held by the police fior using in this manner, but it covers those taken as evidential shots, not 'casual' ones.

(edit) and if he didn't know that he didn't have to let the police in, too fucking bad.

[Patrick]

might have been mentioned in the other 3 pages, but they did a door knock at his house, he let them in, and they asked if they could take a photo of him, which he allowed. it wasn't a prisoner photo, they didn't need a warrant, and quite frankly, i think it was just good preventative policing. there are restrictions on the use of images held by the police fior using in this manner, but it covers those taken as evidential shots, not 'casual' ones.

(edit) and if he didn't know that he didn't have to let the police in, too fucking bad.

BLOODY OATH... Protect our kids at all costs I say.... take a photo? Big deal... send a pamphlet around the neighbourhood? Big deal...

Protect this recidivist kiddie molester or protect the kiddies in your neighbourhood?

NOT A HARD CHOICE..... Job well done. That man deserves a DB (or whatever it is he would like to drink).

[spudchucka]

Even if the bastard gets his $80,000 I'd say it was money well spent on keeping local kids safe from a local predator.