Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.

[mr bucketracer]

smoke and mirrors thread , what happing we don't know about

[chrisc]

I was actually thinking the other day about a 180 degree u turn.
Just Maybe it is time for MX 80's but only if they are cylinder reed that gets rid of the potential flash harrys that would turn up on 2013 KTM85 engined bikes.

Or just 80cc MX engines before a certain manufacture date...
Really, there are loads of different ways to prevent the problems of why people don't want them, it's just doing it which is hard thing.

[husaberg]

Or just 80cc MX engines before a certain manufacture date...
Really, there are loads of different ways to prevent the problems of why people don't want them, it's just doing it which is hard thing.

Cylinder reed models is easy and no need for rocket scientists to figure out what model year it is etc. Plus they have a lower HP potential Crafty aye.

[TZ350]

Just Maybe it is time for MX 80's but only if they are cylinder reed that gets rid of the potential flash harrys that would turn up on 2013 KTM85 engined bikes.

Flash Harry's Dad could buy him one but isn't the current quick 2T up here at Mt Welly about 24.5hp and 60kg. Being a real Bucket I am sure if they weren't restricted in what cylinder they could use they would easily better the KTM85's 25+.



25.5 hp 12.3 tq ... MX85 all the way, well 85cc no restrictions, all or nothing, simple rules, love it.



I am doing my bit to tidy the carb equivalent thing up, MX85's are up for dibs, so someone else should put in a rule change proposal.

At 3:20 I am sure that was Nathaniel that blew past, it was his quick easy clean style anyway.

[husaberg]

Isn't the current quick 2T up here at Mt Welly about 24hp and 60kg



25.5 hp 12.3 tq ... MX85 all the way no restrictions, all or nothing, simple rules, love it.

Those KTM85's are available as a 105 as well
but seriously they are too quick and too dear they are basically a Reed valve RSA inside.
Hence my cylinder reed and 80cc only, thus no flash Harrys. otherwise far too many bikes would be made obsolete overnight and no one wants that.

[goose8]

Or just 80cc MX engines before a certain manufacture date...
Really, there are loads of different ways to prevent the problems of why people don't want them, it's just doing it which is hard thing.

Personally I think mx125s are the go with a weight limit bike an rider , would be crazy to watch .

[TZ350]

The Aprilia and Derbi are case reed, so it has to be 85cc open anything goes.

[TZ350]

Personally I think mx125s are the go with a weight limit bike an rider , would be crazy to watch .

Me to, min 220 kg all up, now that has me thinking, still time to get another proposal in. Any additional weight required is worn in the style of a dive belt. And happy about MX's so long as all 125's are air cooled and restricted to an unmodified controled standard production 24mm carb from a single approved manufacturer like Amal.



$1,250 NZD before buying any jets or needles. Keeping Buckets simple.

[goose8]

Me to, min 220 kg all up, now that has me thinking, still time to get another proposal in. Any additional weight required is worn in the style of a dive belt. And happy about MX's so long as all 125's are air cooled and restricted to an unmodified controled standard production 24mm carb from a single approved manufacturer like Amal.



$1,250 NZD before buying any jets or needles. Keeping Buckets simple.

That carb costs more than my bucket so not for me .
But I was thinking standard watercalled 125s standard carb ign etc with around 170kg combined weight those motors being so light bikes would be around the 70 kilo mark so rider around 100kg seems like a place to start?

[husaberg]

The Aprilia and Derbi are case reed, so it has to be 85cc open anything goes.

They are case reed but are designed as a 50 they are also a road based engine where as i said the KTM85 is a virtual GP bike engine. Not to mention expensive.
I am trying to keep the playing feild fair for all, remember this is a pretty dramatic rule change in both philosophy and equipment eligability here. Baby steps

[TZ350]

That carb costs more than my bucket so not for me .

Na not for me either, just trying to mock the idea of a control carburettor....

But I was thinking standard watercooled 125s standard carb ign etc

F4 2 stroke engines over 104cc ; At some point in the inlet tract(s) between atmosphere and crankcase or barrel, the inlet tract(s) shall not exceed an area of 452mm2 (24mm equivalent) in total. For the purposes of measurement, EFI throttle body idle air circuit if any and carburettor air bleed jets and orifices shall be ignored.

[TZ350]

Well I want to go after aftermarket cylinders. All good and well if non OEM parts are the same or equal to the OEM parts but when you can buy an aftermarket cylinder that only shares the stud pattern of the original cylinder then that's just not in the spirit of bucket racing.

Ok ok. I will bite. Tell me how the above hurts the sport? Explain to me how this really hurts the sport. "THE SPORT" as in motorcycle racing. Not fucking about in your shed.

I thought the sport was f..king about in the shed to build dyno bragging rights... what have I missed...

[mr bucketracer]

I thought the sport was f..king about in the shed to build dyno bragging rights... what have I missed...

what have we missed .bolt on boys racing

[Cheesy]

Na not for me either, just trying to mock the idea of a control carburettor....



F4 2 stroke engines over 104cc ; At some point in the inlet tract(s) between atmosphere and crankcase or barrel, the inlet tract(s) shall not exceed an area of 452mm2 (24mm equivalent) in total. For the purposes of measurement, EFI throttle body idle air circuit if any and carburettor air bleed jets and orifices shall be ignored.

Ive got an EFI idle air valve with a 16mm hole through it, Im sure you could make an even bigger stepper driven one if you wanted.... The whole 24mm carb equivalent rule seems to create more problems than it solves.

Oh yea, let the mx 85s in so I can sell the engine Ive got sitting in the garage

[Bert]

I thought the sport was f..king about in the shed to build dyno bragging rights... what have I missed...

What we have missed is that NZ became part of the wider world, gone of the days of needing to number8 wire everything (while great fun) can be a little limiting for some.
Buckets became popular again with the inclusion of FXRs - ask yourself why? 1000s of TF/TS engines sitting around. Plenty of 250 frames. But we didn't see stuff all being built...
Play station generation has the income and the ability to purchase something that was reliable and worked. Then the arms race started (hot cams from over seas, kelford if asked nicely, etc...)...
The flood gates opened and other new stuff - performance parts... Etcetcetc... All allowed under the rules as they stood (all be it very grey).
No real way to remove these things out of the mix now.
Only solution is to modify the class structure (my view) or introduce weight limits. Last thing we need is to make the rule set that so long and complicated that no one will be bothered...

But... Power doesn't always equal wins - I'm the perfect example of this...

Fast guys will always be fast, some people will have the money or the skill to make cool stuff. Some people do it just for fun.