Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.

[TZ350]

I thought there was no carb restriction on 110cc water cooled 2T.

As it stands, the rules restrict anything 2T over 104cc to a 24mm carb equivalent.

[Bert]

As it stands, the rules restrict anything 2T over 104cc to a 24mm carb equivalent.

Yip, that's how I read it too, but... Championship class specs under appendix a - fails to define that limit... Or any limit and carb size...Thus under scrutiny the rules conflict each other.
Yay for the rewrite. Happy to help.

[TZ350]

Yay for the rewrite. Happy to help.

Great .....

[mr bucketracer]

I thought there was no carb restriction on 110cc water cooled 2T.

yip 24mm , should make it 22mm

[jasonu]

Yip, that's how I read it too, but... Championship class specs under appendix a - fails to define that limit... Or any limit and carb size...Thus under scrutiny the rules conflict each other.
Yay for the rewrite. Happy to help.

Hey anyone from the MNZ rule writing department that happens to read this thread, YOU ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKWITS!!!

[mr bucketracer]

Hey anyone from the MNZ rule writing department that happens to read this thread, YOU ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKWITS!!!

buckets should go free lance

[Grumph]

Hey anyone from the MNZ rule writing department that happens to read this thread, YOU ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKWITS!!!

That would be the rules amendment department....The rulebook as it stands is a hodge podge of amended and added to rules and sections which don't make any logical sense now.

The majority of section 10 - if it's still called that - is still how I rewrote it in the 80's. But amendments are there too. Nothing is static, bikes are a moving target...

The only rule which seems to apply is the rule of unintended consequences.

[Grumph]

buckets should go free lance

Go and talk to ACC about a levy amount. One accident causing a hospital visit and the whole lot is gone.

I'm told that the whole dirt scene outside MNZ umbrella which was flourishing is now dying due to OSH concerns.

[mr bucketracer]

Go and talk to ACC about a levy amount. One accident causing a hospital visit and the whole lot is gone.

I'm told that the whole dirt scene outside MNZ umbrella which was flourishing is now dying due to OSH concerns.

ok bring back smoke advertiseing then (-; and ban rugby

[Bert]

That would be the rules amendment department....The rulebook as it stands is a hodge podge of amended and added to rules and sections which don't make any logical sense now.

The majority of section 10 - if it's still called that - is still how I rewrote it in the 80's. But amendments are there too. Nothing is static, bikes are a moving target...

The only rule which seems to apply is the rule of unintended consequences.

That's a fair point Grumph: however on this version they have attempted to seperate (maybe consolidate) parts that are common across the classes (fuel, championship classes etc.) and really made a shit job of it.
I certainty understand it's a pig of a job writing standards and rules...
But rule number one - if you have to repeat something make sure it's the same....

I liked the pre2000 versions, much more workable and understandable.

ok bring back smoke advertiseing then (-; and ban rugby

i recon we chase coffee manufactures/importers. I'm sure I'd fund at least two bikes per season...

[sidecar bob]

Why is there a carb size rule? It's not like carbs are a big ticket item.
Surely making carbs open would very quickly sort out what size carb is best for maximum performance & the playing field would be level again in no time & one less complex & potentially variable rule to police.
Pre '82 senior has open carb size & we each have our own favourite recipie that works best for us.

[Yow Ling]

Why is there a carb size rule? It's not like carbs are a big ticket item.
Surely making carbs open would very quickly sort out what size carb is best for maximum performance & the playing field would be level again in no time & one less complex & potentially variable rule to police.
Pre '82 senior has open carb size & we each have our own favourite recipie that works best for us.

but if you had pre 82 aircooled with a capacity limit of say1300cc with 30mm carbs and a pre82 watercooled with a 900cc limit with unlimited carbs it would be a different story, in buckets case its trading extra capacity with shit thermal stability against 20% less capacity with no carb restrictions and thermally stable engines

[sidecar bob]

but if you had pre 82 aircooled with a capacity limit of say1300cc with 30mm carbs and a pre82 watercooled with a 900cc limit with unlimited carbs it would be a different story, in buckets case its trading extra capacity with shit thermal stability against 20% less capacity with no carb restrictions and thermally stable engines

Oh, chur. Weld a washer over their tailpipes all the same size?

[mr bucketracer]

That's a fair point Grumph: however on this version they have attempted to seperate (maybe consolidate) parts that are common across the classes (fuel, championship classes etc.) and really made a shit job of it.
I certainty understand it's a pig of a job writing standards and rules...
But rule number one - if you have to repeat something make sure it's the same....

I liked the pre2000 versions, much more workable and understandable.


i recon we chase coffee manufactures/importers. I'm sure I'd fund at least two bikes per season...

prombly right ,coffee has taken over in are lives , not mine but must be somthing out there for road racing, pre 97 buckets would be good , just before the fxrs and got to prove it was bucketerised then lol i know this guy with a shed load of old buckets

[Grumph]

That's a fair point Grumph: however on this version they have attempted to seperate (maybe consolidate) parts that are common across the classes (fuel, championship classes etc.) and really made a shit job of it.
I certainty understand it's a pig of a job writing standards and rules...
But rule number one - if you have to repeat something make sure it's the same....

I liked the pre2000 versions, much more workable and understandable.

So did I. I reckon that if you look at a class rules whether Buckets or posties or sidecars, everything you need to know about rules specific to that class - including fuel - should be in that chapter.
The idea of the old section 10 technical was that those rules dictated the basics of building a race bike safely. Any variations or additions went in the class chapters.
I find it bloody difficult to find anything now.