Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.

[goose8]

Yes just thinking of the old naturally aspirated two valve air cooled 125cc 4t's like the Honda 125.

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There must be quite a few around still but they aren't brought to the track anymore.

I think the cb125t would be to fast for f5 , as they have done 29.2 at mt Wellington .

[cotswold]

The cb100 was going good today, are you coming tomorrow?

yes bringing just the 50, not that you will see much of it as i'm still doing 33's

[Pumba]

There must be quite a few around still but they aren't brought to the track anymore.

I genuinely believe it would make no difference to numbers on the grid for thefollowing reasons:

• The guys that have them in the shed have inteerest in sellling them because the believe they have no value
• The small number of pepole that woud be interested in using such a bike would want to pay sweet FA for them, refer back to my first point
• Even if you manage to extract them from there owners most probally require another $500 plus spent on them before they are track worthy

As nice as it is to think that these bikes are sitting around doing nothing and SHOULD be raced, they are old tech and have been surpassed with more modern tech that is easier to race and easier to maintain. While I acknowledge that some of this is perception rather than reality, what is the first piece of advice that is given to most new guys that post on this forum?

[TZ350]

I think the cb125t would be to fast for f5 , as they have done 29.2 at mt Wellington .

I genuinely believe it would make no difference to numbers on the grid for the following reasons: As nice as it is to think that these bikes are sitting around doing nothing and SHOULD be raced, they are old tech and have been surpassed with more modern tech that is easier to race and easier to maintain.

Its good to get others perception, thanks.

[Bert]

Yes agreed, but 125 air cooled 2 valve 4T's have been run for years and now to keep them active, they maybe need a new home (retirement home .... ), would they be out of place in F5?

i have no problem seeing the old school 125's in with F5 it would bump the numbers up but would rather they had their own classification, I wont see which way Gary has gone and he's on a 100

I'd rather see a classification of "classic buckets" (and old rules), they could be raced/included in the F4 or F5 depending on numbers.
A few of us still have our oldies sitting in the shed (needing a little restoring) and it would be a hoot to peddle them again.

[Drew]

I'd rather see a classification of "classic buckets" (and old rules), they could be raced/included in the F4 or F5 depending on numbers.
A few of us still have our oldies sitting in the shed (needing a little restoring) and it would be a hoot to peddle them again.

Because of the low entry numbers at the moment, and the constant struggle to fill a days program?

[F5 Dave]

Yes just thinking of the old naturally aspirated two valve air cooled 125cc 4t's like the Honda 125.

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There must be quite a few around still but they aren't brought to the track anymore.

Darrin races Pete Sales old one in an RG chassis. You would have seen it at Taumarunui. I have one of the fastest 50s and I'm one of the fastest racers on that track. He's a good mate and my old rival. In free practice I was behind him and throwing everything I had at it. I wanted to pass him. But I just couldn't quite keep up.

So no, I don't think that's a very good idea at all.

[richban]

oi leave F5 out of the shit fight, it aint broke

F5 is so fine how it is. No fucking with the best class please.

125 2 valve engines. Slap a bigger piston and cam in it and 20 odd hp all day with long stroke toque. F4 thank you very much. Stay away from F5.

[TZ350]

So no, I don't think that's a very good idea at all.

F5 is so fine how it is. No fucking with the best class please. Stay away from F5.

Thanks for the input ......

[Bert]

Because of the low entry numbers at the moment, and the constant struggle to fill a days program?

Just being Constructive Drew. Ummm are you willing to provide your in depth experience in answering the question at hand?

To save you flicking back: should 125 2valves be included into F5? (Note, my answer was no)

Sub question: how do we cater for the older F4 bikes sitting in shed that are apparently outdated over a decade ago?
(Note2, I put a suggestion forward).

Carl sums it up nicely.

I genuinely believe it would make no difference to numbers on the grid for thefollowing reasons:

• The guys that have them in the shed have inteerest in sellling them because the believe they have no value
• The small number of pepole that woud be interested in using such a bike would want to pay sweet FA for them, refer back to my first point
• Even if you manage to extract them from there owners most probally require another $500 plus spent on them before they are track worthy

As nice as it is to think that these bikes are sitting around doing nothing and SHOULD be raced, they are old tech and have been surpassed with more modern tech that is easier to race and easier to maintain. While I acknowledge that some of this is perception rather than reality, what is the first piece of advice that is given to most new guys that post on this forum?

Then a view from someone else with insight.

125 2 valve engines. Slap a bigger piston and cam in it and 20 odd hp all day with long stroke toque. F4 thank you very much. Stay away from F5.

[richban]

Sub question: how do we cater for the older F4 bikes sitting in shed that are apparently outdated over a decade ago?
(Note2, I put a suggestion forward).

Not really an issue is it? Where are all these slow old shitters? Plenty of people start out on a slow old shitter then get something a little better if they get the bug. They have there place as a cheap way to go racing init?

[Drew]

Sub question: how do we cater for the older F4 bikes sitting in shed that are apparently outdated over a decade ago?
(Note2, I put a suggestion forward).

Carl sums it up nicely.

Why do old shitters need to be catered for?

Own an old un-competetitive bike? Bad luck I say. Classes get brought up in real racing quite often, by people whinging that their bike doesn't have a class. "Too fucken bad, you bought it".
The rest of the racers aren't responsible for some other muppet's poor life choices. Fuck 'em.

[husaberg]

From what I read. A 24mm carb is not going to hold back a 110 water cooler or 124 air cooled Bucket. But the engineering required will hold back a few who lack the resources or inclination to do the development required although that is not much considering TZ has posted details of how its done.

So in a real sense the 24mm carb restriction does not matter much one way or another.

I just read the Aussie bucket rules it seems they use the carb as a restriction as well, on all 2 strokes the air cooled are allowed 111cc plus 2%(?)and the liquid cooled ones are allowed 85cc plus 2%
Induction will be by carburettors only.

28mm (carburettor maximum on 2 strokes).
RANDOM INSPECTIONS OF:
-- FUEL,
-- ENGINE CAPACITY,
-- 2 STROKE CYLINDERS,
-- 2 STROKE CARBURETTOR SIZE
-- 4 STROKE HEADS (VALVE SIZES) WILL BE CARRIED OUT DURING THE YEAR.
http://ozbucketracing.com/rules.html

[Bert]

Not really an issue is it? Where are all these slow old shitters? Plenty of people start out on a slow old shitter then get something a little better if they get the bug. They have there place as a cheap way to go racing init?

Na no issue - not in my book. But, Just putting a suggestion forward.

[TZ350]

Because of the low entry numbers at the moment, and the constant struggle to fill a days program?

No and No as there are plenty of starters.



Buckets is pretty much run with common sense and goodwill and as there are still some of the classic 125cc Buckets around, it was suggested to do a pole to see if some space could be opened up for them to run in without getting run over. F5 could have been a good idea, but maybe not.