Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.

[jasonu]

Okay guys what am I missing? I read it as pitbike engines are not allowed.

Mate you are not missing anything. Fuck those forza importers which quite obviously Belinda is one.

[Bert]

It doesn't have to get nasty.

I won't say I told you so, but....
AMCC let them in (as too welly). One to offer up track time, the other result of low numbers/providing an opportunity).
So the cat is out of the bag.
What both clubs did was actually good, the problem was not enough actually turned up.

Like F3 and motards: pit bikes do create a small issue on track (those around me long enough will remember a few issues...)... I hold some really strong view on pit bikes and buckets - but I'm not going into this.
So they really need their own class and be done with it.

Not really convinced there should be so much concern around the engines (applying the performance/race rules: means race spec pit bike engines can't enter).
As too, bolt on performance parts.
4 speed means it will never be any better than a good Bgrade motor (even with 20Hp).
It's the frame design, that's the kicker.
The class is called "miniature road racing" (buckets being the slang term).
The intent is road racing motorcycles (not motards)..
I'm sure years ago something was written in the opening paragraph about this.

I'd personally go as far to say, the rules resolve the issues, pull the motors out and chuck them into a frame that represents/meets the intent of the class and go for it....

BelindaS, not quite sure why you are attacking mr bucketracers thread and why you are so aggressive towards AMCC: whom have been accomodating in the past (and have done all the hard work getting racing organised). The only way forward really is to be positive and proactive (not aggressive) and work with AMCC or organise your own events (sorting out hireage, insurance and facilities).

[jasonu]

It doesn't have to get nasty.
.

Sure it does.
They were told a while back the forzas do not fit the class rules. If one wants to go Bucket racing one must obtain a bike that fits the rules, not import some Chinese shit boxes then whine that they don't fit the rules. Apparently that has not sunk in. Fuck 'em.

[BelindaS]

Hi TZ350

I was pretty sure it was only the engine they were talking about but I can see what you mean.

And that's part of the problem I suppose. We keep getting different answers from everyone.

Even you thought the chassis would still be able to be used.

So did husaberg

Okay guys what am I missing? I read it as pitbike engines are not allowed.

I don't agree with you about the frame, by all intents the frame design is open.

And I agree with husaberg and yourself. I thought that issue was with the engine.


Hence my original question can we use the chassis and install a legal engine

Hi TZ350

Thank you for your reply.

And I truly appreciate that you are taking the time to explaining this to me.

OK so the Honda RS 125 ( a competition Bike) rolling chassis fitted with Brembos and Ohlins is legal, But the pit bike rolling chassis is illegal.

Or have I miss understood that.

So what I am getting at is if my friend or I installs a FXR150 motor 4t or a Derbi 2t into the chassis. Then would it comply or is it still illegal?

As I thought frames and suspension where free.

Cheers B

Belinda, Have you purchased a bike yet, is it a pit bike or are you open to the more mainstream bucket style bike.

Can I ask why the pitbike style is so important to you when there are many other options available and competitive right out of the box in the class.

It does appear that you are relitigating an old chestnut here, if you are a member of a club you could have requested a rule change and have your club submit it, but that deadline has now passed, so maybe next year.

Hi Yow Ling

No I have not purchased a bike as of yet. I am waiting to see what the new rules would do to potential other bikes that I may consider. The friend that I have been mentioning does have one of the Forza pit bikes. He, like my self prefers a more sitting up position on the bike. (he being 6'5'' It's imposable for him to ride gp style if you know what I mean)

The hope was to comply the bike with a legal engine. Or change the FXR gp style to a more up right position running the smaller wheels possibly. Due to his 6'5'' frame.
But due to the wording that has now been put in place. Anything on 12'' wheels could be construed as a pit bike depending on the steward on the day.


As for rule changes we were never after that. Just simple clarification of the rules

As TZ350 had already explained to me in great detail what a non competition bike was/is. We felt the bike complied.
Is this not a road going bike? Its legal in 50 states of the USA. Available since 2008/9

http://shop.pitsterpro.com/2009lxm155rtwelve.aspx

Hence why we thought the engine complied.

And no we / I don't wont to be seen as relitigating an old chestnut.
But ever time we ask politely for clarification or simply does this comply we are accused of trolling.

It doesn't have to get nasty..

Hi Bert
I apologise. it was never meant to be intentionally nasty. I suppose it's just our frustration of not getting a straight answer from anyone.
I have been honest with everyone and I'm still being called a liar!



Cheers B

[husaberg]

Hi TZ350



And that's part of the problem I suppose. We keep getting different answers from everyone.

Even you thought the chassis would still be able to be used.

So did husaberg


And I agree with husaberg and yourself. I thought that issue was with the engine.


Hence my original question can we use the chassis and install a legal engine





Cheers B

But I also stated about the issues with the motards running with race bikes. The rest of the chassis stuff has to comply with the race rules ie handlebar widths as well as satisfying the safety concerns of the organisers.

It would have to comply with this.
In street racing super motards were banned from racing with F3 etc, as the racing lines were deemed to be vastly different. (plus big $$$$ F3 f2 and F1 bikes were getting there asses kicked my lightly moded chook chasers)

Off the AMC page rather than the MNZ regs
http://amcc-dev.org.nz/index.php/menu-bucketracing.html

[BelindaS]

But I also stated about the issues with the motards running with race bikes. The rest of the chassis stuff has to comply with the race rules ie handlebar widths as well as satisfying the safety concerns of the organisers.

Hi husaberg the chassis complies with the race rules as does the handlebar width of 92cm.
As to safety concerns, the bike was scrutinised this year at Taumarunui by Malcolm from the Wellington club. He said he wanted to take pictures to show what a well set up bike should look like.

Cheers B

[Yow Ling]

Hi husaberg the chassis complies with the race rules as does the handlebar width of 92cm.
As to safety concerns, the bike was scrutinised this year at Taumarunui by Malcolm from the Wellington club. He said he wanted to take pictures to show what a well set up bike should look like.

Cheers B

Can they be road registered in New Zealand?

[husaberg]

Hi husaberg the chassis complies with the race rules as does the handlebar width of 92cm.
As to safety concerns, the bike was scrutinised this year at Taumarunui by Malcolm from the Wellington club. He said he wanted to take pictures to show what a well set up bike should look like.

Cheers B

I am talking about the racing lines different bikes take rather than the bikes overall tidiness.

[bucketracer]

As to safety concerns, the bike was scrutinised this year at Taumarunui by Malcolm from the Wellington club. He said he wanted to take pictures to show what a well set up bike should look like. Cheers B

Is scrutinized the same as scrutineered?

[bucketracer]

As for rule changes we were never after that. Just simple clarification of the rules. It's just our frustration of not getting a straight answer from anyone. Cheers B

Reading your post below, it looks like you have got your clarification.

... message left on my friends answer phone by Brian Steffensen.

("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary regulation to all of our events going forward and that is. Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible. And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

Legal as what in the USA? doubt that it is as a commuter bike, and for certain sure that is not a bike that can be registered here as a road legal bike and that is what counts. If I am wrong show me at least one, but preferably several off the floor shop standard bike(s) registered here in NZ for use on the road or at least a photo of several bikes on the show room floor that are clearly able to be legally used on the road.

We felt the bike complied. Is this not a road going bike? Its legal in 50 states of the USA. Available since 2008/9 http://shop.pitsterpro.com/2009lxm155rtwelve.aspx hence why we thought the engine complied.

Being more upfront about your commercial interests in getting pitbikes accepted into Buckets may have been more honest.

I have been honest with everyone and I'm still being called a liar! Cheers B

Being sly and manipulative on the net will get you being called a troll.

[BelindaS]

Can they be road registered in New Zealand?

Hi Yow Ling
Yes it can be registered in New Zealand

[steamroller]

Reading your post below, it looks like you have got your clarification.



Legal as what in the USA? doubt that it is as a commuter bike, and for certain sure that is not a bike that can be registered here as a road legal bike and that is what counts. If I am wrong show me at least one, but preferably several off the floor shop standard bike(s) registered here in NZ for use on the road.



Being more upfront about your commercial interests in getting pitbikes accepted into Buckets may have been more honest.



Being sly and manipulative on the net will get you being called a troll.

I still have my crf50 that i had registered like 10 years ago me and all my mates raced them on the road after the pubs good times.

[BelindaS]

I am talking about the racing lines different bikes take rather than the bikes overall tidiness.

As far as I am aware the initial problem was with riders putting their leg out in the corners. This is not an issues as the rider keeps his size 50 feet on the foot pegs.
As to different racing lines taken their are mutable different lines that can be taken. Regardless of the bike, depending on traffic, braking distance,speed and tyres.

[Yow Ling]

As far as I am aware the initial problem was with riders putting their leg out in the corners. This is not an issues as the rider keeps his size 50 feet on the foot pegs.
As to different racing lines taken their are mutable different lines that can be taken. Regardless of the bike, depending on traffic, braking distance,speed and tyres.

The rules arent made for one person with size 50 shoes. Cant he just race it in superbikes or something like that

[TALLIS]

A pit bike is never going to win A grade, all the ones i have seen at north island series have been tidy and well prepared. Not knowing the full story of what has been happening in auckland, but all seem to be good cunts and do more than there share in the flaging and turn up to more meetings than most posting on here. We need to be careful of cutting our own hands off here..... think about it guys, is a two valve posty motor worth crying about? what about a mx 50 we all seem to look past.