Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.

[Rick 52]

I am pretty sure there are traditional ways of finding out.

Hahahah that is gold !

She is a Man and a complete warmonger at that !

Take a CRF250 to a PIt bike dirt track and see if they would let you race ?

The free time and effort that has gone into this rubbish is criminal,
If this has a effect on the Fun we have had over the past years, racers will not come back, organisers will leave !

Please leave all this at home this weekend, lets enjoy the racing, camping and Port on the corner

[FastFred]

Never Happy to see someone bagged but he in the guise of Belinda was happy to start off letting us think he was a she, no doubt to garner a bit of attention for her story.

So I guess a bit of a public outing is a hazard for gilding the truth.

[TZ350]

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I was tempted to just leave it but in the interests of democracy.

The proposed Rule Changes are out on the MNZ site:- https://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-s...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The ones probably most relevant to this thread are:-

Chapter 16 – Miniature Road Racing, New Rule: -

16.2h Pitbikes:Pit bikes such as, but not limited to, Forza, Thumpstar and PitsterPro, are not permitted. The final decision as to what constitutes a pit bike will be at the discretion of the Steward of the meeting inconjunction with the machine examiner.

Chapter 16 – Miniature Road Racing, Proposed Changes to the Existing Rule 16.2:-

16.2 (Version 1)Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no restriction on the make,type or design of carburetor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, and F4 2 stroke engines of less than 70cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged.

16.2 (Version 2)Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no restriction on the use of commercially available after-market engine parts for non-competition motorcycles other than aftermarket parts shall be identical to the OEM (original equipment manufacturer) parts they replace.There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburetor, ignition, exhaust, piston,cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, and F4 2 stroke engines of less than 70cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged. F4 2 stroke engines over 104cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a single 24mm carburetor, F5 4 stroke engines over 53cc are restricted toa single 20mm carburetor.

Page 11 of .... https://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-s...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2 ... Feedback MUST be submitted before the 30th of April 2016 to:- admin@mnz.co.nz

Now don't waste your energy debating these on here, if you have a worthwhile opinion then MNZ is calling for submissions on these proposed rule changes, you have until the end of the month, that is about two weeks.

[Bert]

Thanks rob for posting that.

Time to have a good think about the two options (already knowing they had been suggested).

The question for everyone to consider is: how do they feel about what has been proposed and the source/problem that is trying to be addressed.
Note: I think it has been good that two options have been put forward for the communitee to vote on.

Does what is proposed solve the grey area and said bikes/engineering/solutions that fall inside the grey area.

[goose8]

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I was tempted to just leave it but in the interests of democracy.

The proposed Rule Changes are out on the MNZ site:- https://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-s...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The ones probably most relevant to this thread are:-

Chapter 16 – Miniature Road Racing, New Rule: -

16.2h Pitbikes:Pit bikes such as, but not limited to, Forza, Thumpstar and PitsterPro, are not permitted. The final decision as to what constitutes a pit bike will be at the discretion of the Steward of the meeting inconjunction with the machine examiner.

Chapter 16 – Miniature Road Racing, Proposed Changes to the Existing Rule 16.2:-

16.2 (Version 1)Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no restriction on the make,type or design of carburetor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, and F4 2 stroke engines of less than 70cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged.

16.2 (Version 2)Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no restriction on the use of commercially available after-market engine parts for non-competition motorcycles other than aftermarket parts shall be identical to the OEM (original equipment manufacturer) parts they replace.There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburetor, ignition, exhaust, piston,cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, and F4 2 stroke engines of less than 70cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged. F4 2 stroke engines over 104cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a single 24mm carburetor, F5 4 stroke engines over 53cc are restricted toa single 20mm carburetor.

Page 11 of .... https://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-s...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2 ... Feedback MUST be submitted before the 30th of April 2016 to:- admin@mnz.co.nz

Now don't waste your energy debating these on here, if you have a worthwhile opinion then MNZ is calling for submissions on these proposed rule changes, you have until the end of the month, that is about two weeks.

So version 2 would make big bore derbi's outside of the rules because they are not the same size as oem am I reading this right ?

[F5 Dave]

Oh lordy! Both versions still have the (s). And that just leaves it legally still wide open. Why won't that move? Oh well not my problem.

[mr bucketracer]

So version 2 would make big bore derbi's outside of the rules because they are not the same size as oem am I reading this right ?

guess a bored out standard cylinder would work

[TZ350]

So version 2 would make big bore derbi's outside of the rules because they are not the same size as oem am I reading this right ?

I think the intention was, that if OEM has a single exhaust port then to be legal the after market cylinder must only have single a exhaust port too. Otherwise its purchased performance when Buckets is about creating performance, not buying it.

[husaberg]

I think the intention was, that if OEM has a single exhaust port then to be legal the after market cylinder must only have single a exhaust port too. Otherwise its purchased performance when Buckets is about creating performance, not buying it.

Only issue there is identical to my mind rules out that, plus better say silver plated or straight cadged bearings etc,etc.
Plus as Dave said that bloody S.

[TZ350]

if you intend of reviewing the whole portion the S needs to be clarified.

Isnt that S suppose to be removed?

What ..... Ok I am confused, someone else can do that bit.

A better definition of a 24mm carb equivalent was my interest, the "S" well apparently someone else did not get to it.

Oh lordy! Both versions still have the (s). And that just leaves it legally still wide open.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Who wrote that Version 2???

Good luck enforcing that one......

[Pumba]

Got to love this proposed change

Chapter 18 – Sidecar (Road)
18.7h - Change last sentence to read:
This section does not apply to sidecars (Buckets) as described in Chapter 24 and does not apply to International Sidecars temporarily competing in NZ.

There is no chapter 24 in the MOMS

[husaberg]

A better definition of a 24mm carb equivalent was my interest, the "S" well apparently someone else did not get to it.

Don't get me wrong, the S is great loophole , its a gap big enough that a bus can be driven through

[Grumph]

Who wrote that Version 2???

Good luck enforcing that one......

Not that bad...onus of proof is always on the competitor so take your stock derbi barrel along in the spares. Nicasil rather than an iron liner may be a giveaway in some cases...

Nothing to prevent home made stuff either.

[Pumba]

Who wrote that Version 2???

Good luck enforcing that one......

My thoughts exactly.

So the way I see it we have the choice between a rule that removes the 24mm carb restriction and another that is almost un-enforcable with out the complete tear down of an engine to inspect.

I can see what I the intent was this is not right