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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    yes or no. It wasnt that long ago in dorkland that the chineses were getting pre-line inspections signed off.

    ...then going back and removing every second stud and half the nogs, (to be reused at the next house) before whacking up gib and fucking off.
    Along with the steelwork in foundations...

    Get it signed off, remove the steel to re-use in the next slab, wait for concrete truck to arrive to do the pour... Hope it isn't a kiwi driver who will start asking questions and then phone the council about the lack of steel...


    There are a few slabs out there without any reinforcing.
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    ...they are not dumb those oriental engineers...they seem to know what they are doing...



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    Quote Originally Posted by ellipsis View Post
    ...they are not dumb those oriental engineers...they seem to know what they are doing...
    It's a "feature".

    Certainly makes it easier to change the air conditioning units on the roof, via the "building hinge feature" fitted to all modern chinese high-rise structures...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Along with the steelwork in foundations...

    Get it signed off, remove the steel to re-use in the next slab, wait for concrete truck to arrive to do the pour... Hope it isn't a kiwi driver who will start asking questions and then phone the council about the lack of steel...


    There are a few slabs out there without any reinforcing.
    It is not that many years ago that you were able to pour a house floor without any mesh if it was engineered. I have built a couple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    It is not that many years ago that you were able to pour a house floor without any mesh if it was engineered. I have built a couple.
    Yes and no. Specific engineering wasn't required. Up to around mid 2011 (when NZS3604 was last revised) it was perfectly acceptable for single story homes to have concrete floors without reinforcing mesh (only a perimeter D12 edge bar was required). However, that was only supposed to apply if the ground was deemed to be "good ground" (Not expansive clay like 90+% of Auckland is composed of).
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 View Post
    Yes and no. Specific engineering wasn't required. Up to around mid 2011 (when NZS3604 was last revised) it was perfectly acceptable for single story homes to have concrete floors without reinforcing mesh (only a perimeter D12 edge bar was required). However, that was only supposed to apply if the ground was deemed to be "good ground" (Not expansive clay like 90+% of Auckland is composed of).
    Exactly my point. You need an engineers report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    Exactly my point. You need an engineers report.
    But not from Mr Wong or Mr Patel...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    But not from Mr Wong or Mr Patel...
    actually, one of the best geotechs iv worked with was (miscellaneous azn decent) probably japanese.
    Shook his head a lot at us "kiwi cowboys" and our rules.
    Fucken knowledgabl, responsive, quick intelligence. Better than arf the "kiwis" that turn up. "ah you're a good cunt and you look like you know what you're doing, so i dont REALLY need to inspect this, eh"

    mixed bag though. I've had two jobs moved <50mm cos of boundary disputes!

    Like, fuck you there goes a weeks work.

    Injuns can go fuck themselves though. There's only one that i like that i havent had sex with, the rest... Fuck injuns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    yes or no. It wasnt that long ago in dorkland that the chineses were getting pre-line inspections signed off.

    ...then going back and removing every second stud and half the nogs, (to be reused at the next house) before whacking up gib and fucking off.
    Nothing new - I new a Swedish chippie on the North Shore in the 70's who used to do that, and a Maori foundation guy who would have the footings inspected, then remove all the steel and take it to the next job! .......eventually, after a landslip that took out some of a house foundation, it came to official attention, but, he was dead by then........all guys called Tom, strangely enough.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    But not from Mr Wong or Mr Patel...
    While it's true that there are some naughty engineers out there they are often weeded out. Akld council keeps an 'approved author' register which they very recently cleaned up to remove a dozen or so registered producer statement authors incl several Cpeng Reg Engineers who were flagged as struck off the register. I have occasion to look at it just about every day. I don't recall seeing any Asian engineers struck off or flagged as under investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Nothing new - I new a Swedish chippie on the North Shore in the 70's who used to do that, and a Maori foundation guy who would have the footings inspected, then remove all the steel and take it to the next job! .......eventually, after a landslip that took out some of a house foundation, it came to official attention, but, he was dead by then........all guys called Tom, strangely enough.........
    The craft has greatly diversified. The following are just a teeny tiny fraction of my personal observations of common cheats (most of which were fully rectified)
    Over filled slab fill topped with flat/level concrete floors that reduce to 30mm thick in the middle (mesh removed because it sticks out of the concrete)
    50mm long holding down bolts
    50mm long stringer bolts
    Inappropriately treated exterior deck framing
    Undersized piles and/or pile pads
    Seriously over-span framing (studs, joists, rafters, lintels & beams)
    Stucco plaster sans mesh (often because of the need to reduce thickness to maintain plane)
    100% of bottom story wall framing absent even a single continuous stud (because firewood is cheap)

    I gotta stop
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    Hey Flying croc.
    I really appreciate your thoughts and time taken to engage with this building thing. Thanks to the rest of you guys too.
    I think I need to go block basement and want 18m x 10 meters with 2.4m height [maybe 2.7]. Can I afford it who knows ... the bank will set me up . The section lends itself to having the long back wall, block retaining as then a vehicle park could be put in for the mrs as she drives in up and around the back of the house. That way the section will be better utilised. soil/drainage/fill height will be filled to level with entry to rear of house sitting on the basement. plus it will keep the Rav4 away from the chev lol.
    My thoughts are mancave with small bathroom in the basement and 2 to 3 double sectional doors on the garage front. basement wont be high enough for a car hoist though I dont think. Unless the house is a bit shorter and I could raise the roof one end. Now were talking.
    If the basic house is say about 120m2 that might work. shed first house later but dont tell the cook.. nah only kidding look after the cook too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheddy View Post
    My thoughts are mancave with small bathroom in the basement and 2 to 3 double sectional doors on the garage front. basement wont be high enough for a car hoist though I dont think. Unless the house is a bit shorter and I could raise the roof one end. Now were talking.
    If the basic house is say about 120m2 that might work. shed first house later but dont tell the cook.. nah only kidding look after the cook too.
    Couple of houses back we were in a 1 1/2 story built on a poured reinforced concrete garage plus small workshop. Set into the slope on the Port Hills above ChCh. Had a garage feature you don't see much now - a pit. Very handy too. Bit more work doing it but worth it.
    FWIW I'm told the house lost the blockwork from the 1st storey in the quakes but has been redone now. The lower bunker survived well, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    Couple of houses back we were in a 1 1/2 story built on a poured reinforced concrete garage plus small workshop. Set into the slope on the Port Hills above ChCh. Had a garage feature you don't see much now - a pit. Very handy too. Bit more work doing it but worth it.
    FWIW I'm told the house lost the blockwork from the 1st storey in the quakes but has been redone now. The lower bunker survived well, lol.
    Our last house had a garage with a pit. The missus reckons she has to tear two wheels off the cage in order for me to work on it....so it was just a storage hole

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    pits are nesty things to work in. (whoops, work, what AM i thinking, i mean, smoke weed and cash dole cheques in)
    and remember CO is denser than air.

    Far better with ramps. Coupley 44gal drums and some welded up angle iron.

    Or, go off a cliff, with piles.

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