The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

**Brian d marge** · 11th November 2016, 11:38

Originally Posted by Grumph

Another amusing sidelight from an American forum....An Indiana resident apologising for Pense.
I think Pense was the Indiana Governor ? Anyway, he's praying Trump stays healthy as Pense is way worse.
A bible bashing, anti abortion, creationism teaching pure bible belt bigot of the worst kind he says....

Yup and look at where his money comes from
A worry is , is the tail wagging the dog , or the dog wagging the tail.

One thing , I heard that Hitlary got the popular vote
So if this is right then she still could swing it , via the electorial college

One month will tell .. as far as I know

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**pritch** · 11th November 2016, 11:39

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Even if the Market crashes - what are you left with?

A Nice house, in a nice country, with nice Neighbors, Sea Views, Beaches in walking distance.

It could be worse....

As long as interest rates stay low. Since they are at record low levels the likelihood is that they will rise, they could easily double quickly. Then the people that bought expensive houses with big mortgages might lose their nice house, neighbours and views etc.

**Brian d marge** · 11th November 2016, 11:42

Originally Posted by pritch

As long as interest rates stay low. Since they are at record low levels the liklihood is that they will rise, they could easily double quickly, then the people that bought expensive houses with big mortgages might lose their nice house, neighbours and views etc.

If those interest rates rise by any significant amount
Debt , not just ur house , but national debt will be come difficult to repay
In some cases impossible

That's why governments are moving towards a low interest rate ..imho

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**pritch** · 11th November 2016, 11:47

Originally Posted by Katman

I think you're confusing Indians and Chinese with Samoans.

LOL. Gotta share the love ow.

There are some seriously wealthy immigrants. From Europe and the US as well as Asia. They are not noticeable beacause a lot of them buy farms. The farm costs so much it can never be economic but it lets them get away from the madding crowds, and it's an appreciating investment.

**YellowDog** · 11th November 2016, 11:51

It's a matter of working out what's important

**Ocean1** · 11th November 2016, 12:15

Originally Posted by Jeff Sichoe

Yeah ok you can accept that if you can also accept child slave labour and NO workers rights which is the only reason imports are as cheap as they are.

It's not a 'free' market when the people creating the goods are slaves

Yeah, third world conditions are lower than most of us would like. But they're massively better than they were before free markets and international trade allowed them a slice of the pie. A slice that continues to grow year by year: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/d...hare-1820-2015

So how 'bout you go ask all them "slaves" if they'd rather go back to 80% infant mortality, a lifespan average of 17, zero health care, subsistence farming/fishing, endemic government corruption and routine tribal warfare or whether they'd rather continue actually improving their lives by picking up jobs their western clients can't be fucked doing.

**pritch** · 11th November 2016, 12:30

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

So if this is right then she still could swing it , via the electorial college

Not so. The popular vote is bloody near irelevant it seems. In the nature of a consolation prize to the loser?
There was virtually no mention of it on the CNN live coverage. All they were interested in was the electoral college figures, and Trump won those convincingly.

Some media have been mentioning Trump's mandate. Others question what mandate he has if he lost the popular vote.
I'm with the late Gil Scott Heron, "Mandate my ass!"

**mashman** · 11th November 2016, 14:07

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

If those interest rates rise by any significant amount
Debt , not just ur house , but national debt will be come difficult to repay
In some cases impossible

That's why governments are moving towards a low interest rate ..imho

sent for a divine source

Difficult to repay

. You reckon it can be repaid?

**Clockwork** · 11th November 2016, 14:29

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Yeah, third world conditions are lower than most of us would like. But they're massively better than they were before free markets and international trade allowed them a slice of the pie. A slice that continues to grow year by year: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/d...hare-1820-2015

So how 'bout you go ask all them "slaves" if they'd rather go back to 80% infant mortality, a lifespan average of 17, zero health care, subsistence farming/fishing, endemic government corruption and routine tribal warfare or whether they'd rather continue actually improving their lives by picking up jobs their western clients can't be fucked doing.

Hey.... I'm really thrilled that their quality of life is improving.

Not so thrilled that mine is declining. Even less impressed that my children/grandchildren can look forward to an ever declining standard of living/employment conditions so that wealthy investors and shareholders can continue to get wealthier. Just hope that ol' "trickle-down" begins to kick-in real soon now!

**TheDemonLord** · 11th November 2016, 14:34

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Hey.... I'm really thrilled that their quality of life is improving.

Not so thrilled that mine is declining. Even less impressed that my children/grandchildren can look forward to an ever declining standard of living/employment conditions so that wealthy investors and shareholders can continue to get wealthier. Just hope that ol' "trickle-down" begins to kick-in real soon now!

Even with housing issues - the Standard of living in the west has never been higher - so I have to ask:

U Wot M8?

**Ocean1** · 11th November 2016, 14:39

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Hey.... I'm really thrilled that their quality of life is improving.

Not so thrilled that mine is declining. Even less impressed that my children/grandchildren can look forward to an ever declining standard of living/employment conditions so that wealthy investors and shareholders can continue to get wealthier. Just hope that ol' "trickle-down" begins to kick-in real soon now!

Oh wah. So you find you can't compete with unskilled farmers half a planet away, to what extent do you expect your countrymen to subsidise your lack of productivity?

And if wealthy investors and shareholders are doing better than you think they should then like everyone else you have the choice of not buying their product or setting up shop right alongside them.

Whining because you don't get paid as much as you think you should isn't going to change shit.

**jasonu** · 11th November 2016, 14:40

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Even if the Market crashes - what are you left with?

A Nice house, in a nice country, with nice Neighbors, Sea Views, Beaches in walking distance.

It could be worse....

In some cases a nice house that is worth 1/2 what you owe on it and no job ie you're fucked. That's what happened here in 2008.

**jasonu** · 11th November 2016, 14:42

Originally Posted by Katman

I think you're confusing Indians and Chinese with Samoans.

Must spread more rep!!!!!

**jasonu** · 11th November 2016, 14:45

Originally Posted by Hemi Makutu

1%ers use the 'free market' as a 'pyramid scheme'..

I wonder if Trump will manage to avoid paying tax on his presidential salary.

The prez gets more or less $500k p/a. I'd be more interested in the tax paid on the $500k a shot after dinner speeches they give after the presidency ends.