The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Brian d marge]

Two slaves voting for the same master

Doesn't matter what color ya paint it

sent for a divine source

[pritch]

So what? It's still the most popular choice.

And no, that's nothing like my criticism of MMP. MMP dosen't give you a government most people want, in most cases the result isn't anything anyone had any ability to either chose or predict. Yet again: the result of MMP is almost always something nobody voted for, so how can you claim it has any sort of majority support?

All it does is mandate fucking stupid, irrelevant trade offs, like "you support us on X issue, (which we don't have any public support for), and we'll support you on this (completely unrelated piece of bullshit) Y issue that you also don't have enough support for". How the fuck is that "representative" of anything but an institutionalised rip off?

I think you are being too cynical. It became apparent early on that the voters (apart from politicians?) grasped the concept of tactical voting.

As for "representative"? How about Roger Douglas? Voted in by the left and then he subjected the country to an extreme right wing restructuring. Ignoring whether or not the sffects were beneficial, there was no way anybody voted for that.

Later we had Shipley and Richardson who gave us a needless recession while the rest of the world enjoyed a period of prosperity.

FPP is dead and buried and bloody good job. Can we go back to having less MPs now? That gerrymander failed.

[TheDemonLord]

I think you are being too cynical.

Ocean being Cynical?


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

[Banditbandit]

So what? It's still the most popular choice.

I fail to see how you can make that claim.

If less than 50% of those who turned out to vote supported one party (and less than 100% of voters turned out) how can you claim they are the most popular?

[Zedder]

As for "representative"? How about Roger Douglas? Voted in by the left and then he subjected the country to an extreme right wing restructuring. Ignoring whether or not the sffects were beneficial, there was no way anybody voted for that.

Later we had Shipley and Richardson who gave us a needless recession while the rest of the world enjoyed a period of prosperity.

FPP is dead and buried and bloody good job. Can we go back to having less MPs now? That gerrymander failed.

Subjected the country is right, Douglas didn't even have David Lange's blessing for the restructuring and actually overrode his wishes in most financial matters.

Yes to less MPs. As I understand it, we have 20 too many.

[Ocean1]

I think you are being too cynical. It became apparent early on that the voters (apart from politicians?) grasped the concept of tactical voting.

As for "representative"? How about Roger Douglas? Voted in by the left and then he subjected the country to an extreme right wing restructuring. Ignoring whether or not the sffects were beneficial, there was no way anybody voted for that.

Later we had Shipley and Richardson who gave us a needless recession while the rest of the world enjoyed a period of prosperity.

FPP is dead and buried and bloody good job. Can we go back to having less MPs now? That gerrymander failed.

Nah, all I ever want is for a single political entity, (a predefined group is fine) to offer a coherent set of policies that constitute a viable plan to grow the economy.

And then FUCKING STICK TO IT.

Much as you may not have like previous FPP results you can't ignore the fact that others did. If Douglas hadn't dumped the last of the socialist dogma in favour of open market policies, for example, most economists had us dead in the water.

[Ocean1]

Ocean being Cynical?


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Y'know, my dear old mum said that if you don't have anything positive to say about someone then you should shut the fuck up or you'll get a punch in the throat.

At least I seem to remember her saying some shit closely resembling.....

[Ocean1]

I fail to see how you can make that claim.

If less than 50% of those who turned out to vote supported one party (and less than 100% of voters turned out) how can you claim they are the most popular?

It's not that difficult is it?

Why does any party have to get an arbitrary 50% of the vote to be the most popular? That model goes back to previous generations, with just the two parties.

You could have 10 parties, 9 of which average 9.9% of the vote, and the most popular might be fuck all over 10%.

Again, so fucking what?

[Ocean1]

Subjected the country is right, Douglas didn't even have David Lange's blessing for the restructuring and actually overrode his wishes in most financial matters.

Yes to less MPs. As I understand it, we have 20 too many.

Need to get some job-sizing shit involved. Some of the chaff do fuck all productive from one week to the next.

You could start by actually defining the roll ffs...

[Zedder]

Need to get some job-sizing shit involved. Some of the chaff do fuck all productive from one week to the next.

You could start by actually defining the roll ffs...

Yes. Only conventions guide what MPs are expected to do.

[TheDemonLord]

Y'know, my dear old mum said that if you don't have anything positive to say about someone then you should shut the fuck up or you'll get a punch in the throat.

At least I seem to remember her saying some shit closely resembling.....

Who said that being cynical was a Negative?

Hell, in my line of work its practically a job requirement.

[Brian d marge]

Subjected the country is right, Douglas didn't even have David Lange's blessing for the restructuring and actually overrode his wishes in most financial matters.

Yes to less MPs. As I understand it, we have 20 too many.

Small fish swimming in a large pool; , didnt stand a chance.

The trap was set during Muldoons reign, with ( I think ,) Think big or even before that ....

[Brian d marge]

Nah, all I ever want is for a single political entity, (a predefined group is fine) to offer a coherent set of policies that constitute a viable plan to grow the economy.

And then FUCKING STICK TO IT.

Much as you may not have like previous FPP results you can't ignore the fact that others did. If Douglas hadn't dumped the last of the socialist dogma in favour of open market policies, for example, most economists had us dead in the water.

Mashie had a good plan.

[Brian d marge]

Y'know, my dear old mum said that if you don't have anything positive to say about someone then you should shut the fuck up or you'll get a punch in the throat.

At least I seem to remember her saying some shit closely resembling.....

She might have been talking about here dearest begotten .

[Zedder]

Small fish swimming in a large pool; , didnt stand a chance.

The trap was set during Muldoons reign, with ( I think ,) Think big or even before that ....

Muldoon was the opposite to what Roger Douglas was about.